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#4438879 - 09/14/18 03:34 AM To The Moon Alice!!  
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Well, I guess there is a chance that this thus far unnamed person is an Alice wink

SpaceX booked 'world's first' private passenger for a BFR Moon trip

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According to Musk comment on Twitter, in response to a question asked, the BFR shown is an updated version compared to what has previously been seen. The tail fins appear to have been redesigned, I would guess they now house the landing legs. There is also something protruding from the side of the spacecraft but near the nose:

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Phaser cannon *nods* will be sold later by the boring company in a limited edition

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Maybe the passenger is Heywood Floyd?


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It's being reported that someone asked Musk on twitter if HE was the passenger, and that he replied with a Japanese flag icon.


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“Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost come in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.” - Milton Friedman
#4439048 - 09/15/18 02:28 AM Re: To The Moon Alice!! [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Meh, Mars is more interesting.

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My how jaded we have become. Now I understand the scene in the movie "Apollo 13" where they were doing the live broadcast from the spacecraft but none of the networks would carry it.


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Nah, not jaded, just more, "been there done that" and the desire to shoot for something bigger. Interest in the space program has nearly died over the last decade and a half, which is both sad and alarming. See, mankind needs to branch out into space before we inevitably kill ourselves. We're destined to our trial by fire. Best way to avoid this? Colonize other worlds. We know we can reach the Moon and return, so Mars is the next logical step. We learn things by solving harder and harder problems, so progression rather than regression are beneficial paths to strive for--and more inspirational. smile

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Nah, not jaded, just more, "been there done that" and the desire to shoot for something bigger.



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Yep we made 6 landings on the moon all of which were almost 50 years ago, exploring a total of a few square miles of a body that has the surface area equal to north america, so we have "been there and done that".

I suppose that's what everyone should have said after the first few excursions to the "new world" a few hundred years ago. Of course If we did send a few expeditions to mars it would not take long for some people to then say "been there and done that" about the red planet as well.


Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Interest in the space program has nearly died over the last decade and a half, which is both sad and alarming.


Odd that you feel that way given your previously expressed "been there done that" above.


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See, mankind needs to branch out into space before we inevitably kill ourselves. We're destined to our trial by fire. Best way to avoid this? Colonize other worlds. We know we can reach the Moon and return, so Mars is the next logical step. We learn things by solving harder and harder problems, so progression rather than regression are beneficial paths to strive for--and more inspirational. smile


Mars isn't the be all and end all, there are other destinations in space that deserve our attention, and the moon is one of them.


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The idea of a moon base still holds huge appeal for me. Especially now in the era of corporate space ventures.

Mars is cool and all, and likely more advantageous from a purely scientific perspective. But taking a trip to a moon base offers some distinct advantages, IMO. First, the spectacle of seeing the Earth overhead during your stay. And secondly, a trip can could be managed with a month or two, like a long cruise vacation, and back to living life. Not quite as all-absorbing as a multi-year endeavor to Mars, where you'd probably need to give power of legal and tax matters to a guardian, during your multi-year absence from all things Earthly. Not to mention needing income earning ability while you are not present and completely unavailable for years.

Either will probably offer lots of interest, though.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4

Mars isn't the be all and end all, there are other destinations in space that deserve our attention, and the moon is one of them.


The moon is a waste of time. Mars is inspirational. The moon is not. Space needs to inspire.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by F4UDash4

Mars isn't the be all and end all, there are other destinations in space that deserve our attention, and the moon is one of them.


The moon is a waste of time. Mars is inspirational. The moon is not. Space needs to inspire.


Not to YOU apparently, however Elon Musk has someone willing to pay tens of millions of dollars to go there so the moon IS inspirational to many..


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So you seriously can tell me with a straight face that going to the Moon is cooler than sending a man to Mars?

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I don't think national space policy should be based on "cool". But even if it were there is room to do both the coolest as well as the second, third coolest and so forth.


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Mr. Blastman, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Sure , Mars is interesting, and should be explored / exploited to the degree it becomes feasible. That doesn't really detract from the potential benefits of returning to the moon, and possibly exploiting it, too.

Neither of those are trivial pursuits, and in fact going back to the moon could provide useful support to efforts aimed at Mars. I applaud efforts aimed at both destinations, particularly the ones that aren't costing the taxpayers to fund. You want to talk about "cool" ? People doing any of this with private (instead of taxpayer) funds is cool !!

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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I don't think national space policy should be based on "cool". But even if it were there is room to do both the coolest as well as the second, third coolest and so forth.


Answer the question, don't dance around. Very simple: In your eyes, is going to the Moon cooler than sending a man to Mars?


@ Cyber: The private part is pretty cool, yes. I have my doubts, however, at the Moon being useful for Mars in the near-term. Maybe over hundreds of years, because by then we could establish mining, smelting, fabricating and manufacturing operations around the Moon for creation of permanent spacecraft.

Space is about pushing limits, same as explorers of old going across the seas to discover the unknown. America wasn't useful when it was first discovered--it was dangerous. But it was inspirational enough to inspire a few brave Europeans hundreds of years later to flee their homelands for something better. Space needs inspiration. It needs to capture young minds. It needs to be cooler than whatever the idiotic topic du jour is such as stupid stars in hollywood or silly folks who are worth hundreds of millions because they're pretty(not going to name names for the sake of them showing up in a Google search). Space needs to capture hearts and minds and bring the focus back to the things that matter: science, exploration, human triumph and achievement; men and women working together to do the impossible.

That's space.

Save practicality for later, when we've won their hearts and minds and changed the direction of history for the better.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
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I don't think national space policy should be based on "cool". But even if it were there is room to do both the coolest as well as the second, third coolest and so forth.


Answer the question, don't dance around.


Don't tell me how to reply. Done with you.


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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
@ Cyber: The private part is pretty cool, yes. I have my doubts, however, at the Moon being useful for Mars in the near-term. Maybe over hundreds of years, because by then we could establish mining, smelting, fabricating and manufacturing operations around the Moon for creation of permanent spacecraft.


There is long-term useful, but there is also short-term useful. Equipment and procedures need to be tested and refined along the way. We didn't get men on to the moon by jumping immediately into an Apollo Command / Lunar / Service Module design and heading out to the moon. All sorts of things needed to be tried, learned from, and tweaked or redesigned. Spacewalking, for example, turned out to be much harder than anticipated. Even during the ISS era, we have come close to killing an astronaut. Even the Apollo 10 mission discovered something that was important to Apollo 11's success.

New endeavors will benefits from previous lessons learned, but there will be new things to be tested and refined. It would appear that may be especially true for privately funded endeavors such as what SpaceX aims to do.

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Space is about pushing limits, same as explorers of old going across the seas to discover the unknown. America wasn't useful when it was first discovered--it was dangerous. But it was inspirational enough to inspire a few brave Europeans hundreds of years later to flee their homelands for something better. Space needs inspiration. It needs to capture young minds. It needs to be cooler than whatever the idiotic topic du jour is such as stupid stars in hollywood or silly folks who are worth hundreds of millions because they're pretty(not going to name names for the sake of them showing up in a Google search). Space needs to capture hearts and minds and bring the focus back to the things that matter: science, exploration, human triumph and achievement; men and women working together to do the impossible.

That's space.

Save practicality for later, when we've won their hearts and minds and changed the direction of history for the better.


Space exploration is certainly inspirational, and for manned missions it is certainly dangerous. It is also very expensive. Practicality has to be designed in right from the start due to those costs. We are no longer in an era of national sentiment consisting of fear of a Soviet Union, that was willing to finance Apollo. SpaceX, et al, have to face the bottom line with their decisions, too (Arguably even more so). Depending upon whose program/equipment is being used, and the nature of its funding, it may make sense to return to the moon before going to Mars. If some billionaire tourist(s) see fit to fund trips to, or at least around the moon, that looks like a good deal for a private outfit like SpaceX. Evidently, there are some people sufficiently inspired by a trip around the moon enough that they are willing to spend their own money to do it (At least one, any ways). I sincerely doubt you will be hearing any "Meh" like sentiments from them.

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Cooler is not part of this mission.

The moon gives us water (fuel, shielding, oxygen, drinking), a stable base, power generation, etc.

If you only base your thinking on "gee is it cool?" then you will fail

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