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#4436900 - 09/03/18 12:52 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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#4436901 - 09/03/18 01:01 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Nixer you need to start doing a Podcast.


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#4436902 - 09/03/18 01:10 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer

I guess we should be happy he isn't portrayed as a transgender, persecuted little mommy's boy who liked to play with dolls. rolleyes



Hey, Armstrong's an Ohioan. The state that's given you Presidents, Congressional illicit affairs, famous astronauts, famous generals,
Bros that brought you flight, one that gave you light, and one guy put away for cannibalism ..

..but no mamma boys here.

#4436953 - 09/03/18 12:38 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Buzz Aldrin has spoken out on the issue: https://twitter.com/TheRealBuzz/status/1036459675649171456

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His "cover photo" or whatever Twitter calls it also speaks volumes:


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#4436971 - 09/03/18 02:22 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
Put into historical context of the Cold War, it was huge.


This isn't a movie about the Cold War. It is about Neil Armstrong.

Armstrong said: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." He didn't say: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for America."


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#4436979 - 09/03/18 02:52 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: piper]  
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Originally Posted by piper
Originally Posted by FlyingToaster
I guess one factor might be that it seems that the only people who care about the flag planting bit of it are American conservatives.


Not just conservatives, but folks who grew up during the Cold War and the early days of Nasa.
But it's true, the American flag doesn't get a lot of respect in this country any more. Just watch a football game.


I dunno. I'm a Vietnam Vet. Served in the Marines. I find this hyperventilating over the omission of the planting of the American flag to be little more than a conservative political issue. You can see this in the snide remarks concerning Muslims and transgender people made by some of the posters in this thread. Now you are just sticking in unnecessary political shots and rude personal shots. Control yourself.

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#4436988 - 09/03/18 03:16 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Ssnake51]  
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Originally Posted by Ssnake51
Originally Posted by Dart
Put into historical context of the Cold War, it was huge.


This isn't a movie about the Cold War. It is about Neil Armstrong.

Armstrong said: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."



Then he stuck an American flag in the lunar soil and saluted it.


“Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost comes in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.” - Milton Friedman
#4437009 - 09/03/18 05:46 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Ssnake51
Originally Posted by Dart
Put into historical context of the Cold War, it was huge.


This isn't a movie about the Cold War. It is about Neil Armstrong.

Armstrong said: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."



Then he stuck an American flag in the lunar soil and saluted it.


Affirmative salute


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#4437064 - 09/04/18 12:18 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Its not a political party thing but an American thing. Specifically about the efforts, sacrifices and unbelievable man hours of many civilian and military citizens of this nation, The United States, to make the program work and happen. My grandfather who I already mentioned who worked on a proving grounds, was a Korea War vet, worked at Redstone and then had a career at NASA during this whole time was an old fashioned Democrat. He would not appreciate this movie's intentional omission. Its about giving honor to whom honor is due and calling out clear and premeditated attempts to chisel away at that history. It may not seem like a big deal but it actually is. This is how its done, one little slight or dismissal at a time. Slow burn conditioning. Hollywood is only part of the problem but there is a very real worldwide attack on the sovereignty of nations and the wholesome kinds of nationalism and patriotism that it begets. This underlying thing is what offends and makes many of us angry.

#4437069 - 09/04/18 01:40 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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I'm am skeptical about this film now. Something did seem off with the trailer.


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#4437113 - 09/04/18 11:49 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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finally the reason why it was omitted:

the reason why

#4437114 - 09/04/18 11:54 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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A few disclaimers: I am a Canadian with strong British roots. I am a liberal ( see Prager U definition of liberal vs leftist ) . I remember the moon landing very well. Was camping with my parents and listened on a transistor radio.

The planting of the American flag was the crowning achievement of the AMERICAN space program. Leaving it out of any movie that deals with the moon landing is simply an effort by modern leftists to diminish the role of the American system in accomplishing this feat. Revising history bit by bit


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#4437116 - 09/04/18 12:05 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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It has now come to my attention that they left the US flag off the spacesuits as well. That is an intentional slight.

Explain that away.


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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
It has now come to my attention that they left the US flag off the spacesuits as well. That is an intentional slight.

Explain that away.


If true that is just NUTS.


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#4437124 - 09/04/18 01:04 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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I will be exercising my ultimate power as as consumer with this film. No ticket purchase, no rental and no VOD fee from me.


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#4437153 - 09/04/18 03:36 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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It was in the comments in the link Tom_Weiss posted. I hope it’s not true.

Looks like that was a manipulated piece of information by someone photoshopping . I’m sorry that they hooked me with that.

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#4437217 - 09/04/18 11:42 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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This is outrageous. Since when is National Pride (not gay or black pride) not to be celebrated.

I was an avid space junkey, Shepherd on the Redstone sub-orbital shot, the orbital Mercuries, Gemini and the triumph of triumph, Apollo. It was always the West represented by the US versus the USSR and the planting of Old Glory on the Moon was an event no-one can forget. How anyone can dispute the right of the US to do so after spending all that blood and treasure is beyond me. Not as if the US was claiming sovereignty, something that the soviets were almost sure to have done.

What did Armstrong say? "We come in peace for all mankind" from memory. I was living in England during the sixties, and the US space program was a thing of pride even for the Brits. A wonderful time.


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I was excited about this movie. From the trailer it looks like it has all the great moments of X-15 suborbital flights, the lunar landing trainer ejection, Gemini 8 tumble, and of course the landing. But then, WHY do they have to act like revisionists and not include such a moment as the planting of the flag? That day the US flag represented the whole of mankind. The US spent all the dollars, manpower and even lives that won the Moon race in the end, so why shouldn’t they plant the flag?

There is a movie being made about the race to the South Pole in 1911. Maybe they should omit Amundsen and the other Norwegians planting the Norwegian flag? I despise the sort of revisionism for the sake of revisionism that is found in movies today, and not just in movies portraying historical events. Star Wars: The Last Jedi was just as bad in taking an entire beloved movie universe and pooping on it, for the sake of satisfying some director’s and producer’s agenda.


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Since when the left decided national pride was racist Maxie.

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