A test with 160 at a low sun angle


They should have been long evening shadows:



Taken in F9 just after take off and flying over the base we have he plane shadow is directly below it:


Once again there were no building shadows.

It's not, trees and some other objects have also shadows, in fact each TMOD slot can have a shadow and at some point I created one for all stockmodels. The problem is that if you move the shadow too far away from the object it no longer has any relation with the model. Treeclumps have 6 or 7 shadow circles and only look reasonable when they remain close to the object. I assume that in gunship the shadows which are directly incorporated into the ground models, the sun's movement is only applied to a particular polygon or just the nodes of that polygon. Such polygons can also be added to EAW's groundobjects but rewriting the code to do this calculation with only that polygon is probably not going to be easy. That polygon may sit anywhere in the R/S and/or element section. I've only seen a few objects from Gunship with the shadow in and it appears to always reside at the end of the element section. I don't think the chopper shadows were changed though, I don't have the game so I can't be certain about that.

VonBeerhofen

What do you mean? That I have to give my ideas to you guys or you won't leave me in peace?

VonBeerhofen

Maybe I should have written "civility"

Excuse me? Oh I see, I should behave more like you two. Well, I've tried in that last locked thread and came down to your level. Obey or else, is it?

VonBeerhofen

Well there have been lots of questions and straight answers without anyone getting their knickers in a knot

I don't have questions, I don't play your game. You think I'll gladly provide answers knowing that it will only result in a locked thread with me being portrayed as an inferior *sshole evey time?

VonBeerhofen

Looks like a question to me

There is no game, or ulterior motive, and I found the sharing of information in this thread helpful

It wasn't, I was merely trying to figure out what the blazes you were on about and I still don't know. So I must provide answers to your questions then. Aren't you capable enough to find your own answers to your own questions? Are you building up to some sort of question in your initial appearance in this thread? It looks more like the start of a provocation to me, as it's totally off topic, as is the rest.. If Rotton would have had a real interest in the workings of EAWPRO then he would have flown it and know which radio commands are there and there wouldn't have been any reason for the questions he asked. So you have a problem with the sun's position and the shadow that it casts, and you want me to solve that for you, is that it?

VonBeerhofen

In more detail it would seem that your question is about the shadow being underneath the plane even when the sun is at a low angle



I responded with a screenie showing exactly what I has seen

Does it look as if I have a problem with it's shadow? Do you think I would put it in if I DID have a problem with it, or that I deliberately put it in to annoy you? What is it to you what problems I may have? If any, then I'm well capable of solving them. It is you who starts with something about the shadow and says that the problem is still there, what problem. I don't have a problem with the shadows, they've always been the way they are but in this thread you seem to turn it into some sort of a problem. What the problem is you have remains vague up till today and ends with something about cooperation, after I supply a few answers to unrelated questions. Is this behaviour going to continue with every post I make?

Can't you seee there can not be cooperation when either party has no knowledge or understanding on what the other has done, and that there can only be a mutual standoff by letting eachother work in peace? I.e. you take what you can from EAWPRO and I don't take anything form v1.60 besides a few ideas.

VonBeerhofen

If you don't have a problem with that shadow then all well and good.

However, in my view, the position of the shadow suggests that the sun is directly overhead.
Part of it is on what appears to be a raised horizontal surface, with the rest of it hanging in mid-air
A shadow with an "upside-down" tail-fin would be impossible, and to me that is the worst aspect.
As I noted, the upside down tail-fin is still occurring in EAWPro.

Your post got me looking at aircraft shadows in different incarnations of EAW.
The all handle aircraft shadows badly, as the direction of the sun does not come into play, but the upside-down tailfin shadow issue only happens with the FXExe and EAWPro.

Don't you know that a shadow becomes larger, the further it is from the ground and the closer it gets to the lightsource? Have you never noticed that when you place a shape directly in front of a lightsource the shadow it casts is upside down? Ofcourse it all depends on the position of the light and the attitude of the object relating to it. Bsides that anyone can replace the shadows with those available from Sandbagger's, so what the big deal?

Are you looking for a comparison between your shot and mine, and if so why? It's like comparing your pilotmap icons, which are mine, with my pilotmap icons which are also mine and it's silly. If you don't have a problem with the same sized flat shadows which produce no tail fin whatsoever or any perspective and you're happy with that when who am I to suggest that it needs to change?. Are we now getting into a debate where I should listen to what you want or is what I like more imprtant then what you want in my version of the game? If you want to wreck it then that's fine with me, I'll stick to what I have, my players like it and so do I. Why do you keep trying to get me to do things I don't want to do? Do you want me to adapt to the personal preferences you're discribing? Sorry but that is never going to happen. Will you be comparing reticules next, airfields or the sun? I'll gladly compare 3DZ models, but we've already been through that.

I've refrained from adding my hideous objects, just so it won't give people a reason to make such silly comparisons, it's probably fastest in it's raw form anyway and I realise that there are some who don't like what I've created, but does that mean I should stop giving meaning to my life and stop what I'm doing altogether just because of that?

VonBeerhofen

1. The distance between the earth and the sun is so large that the altitude of the plane makes no discernible difference to the size of the shadows.
2. If the plane is level and the sun is directly above, then the tailfin shadow would be a thin line like the ones in 1.2.
You would not see a shadow showing the vertical plane of the tailfin.
3. It is impossible for a shadow of a vertical object to be created that is upside down.
That is why I think that the default shadow files are more realistic.

Stick with your files by all means, but if I were in your shoes I would replace the shadow 3DZs with the default ones.

Place your fingertip on the surface of a table and observe that the shadow starts at the fingertip and the hand is upside down relating to that finger, it's a mirror image. I will stick to what I have because it's dead easy to replace most of it when people want to. I'm finished with this rediculous subject and I hope you are too and will refrain from further comparisons or comments which relate to your own personal views, which I'm glad to say do not reflect my views.

VonBeerhofen

Other than to challenge your first statement by asking
1. What do you see if the light is directly above your finger (as it is in EAW and would have to be to create the shadow of the wings, fuselage and tail-plane)?
2. What do you see if you hold your hand vertically with the fingers up to get a shadow on the wall? It is not a mirror image.

No further comment

In the world there's only one location where the sun can be directly overhead and it's not in Europe but on the Equator.

VonBeerhofen

To clarify -

Between the two tropics zones, Cancer and Capricorn, the sun is directly overhead twice per year. Outside the tropic zones, whether to the south or north, the Sun is never directly overhead.

Maybe you should load SPAW or DAW, both of which fall within the 23.5 degree zones.

Wouldn't you know it, right on cue. The discussion is over Rotton or hadn't you noticed?

VonBeerhofen

No offense intended.

Just trying to lighten the mood.

Sadly, it didn't work.