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#4432735 - 08/03/18 01:24 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4


My best friend is left handed and he's always flown left handed, using a CH Pro stick. I always bug him about it, at one time he was working toward flying fighters IRL so he would have had to learn to fly right handed there, especially the F-16, so why not get a real HOTAS and fly sims that way. But he refuses to try.

Anyway, once I built a sim cockpit with HOTAS and Oculus Rift I had him try it out. He flew around just fine and afterwards I say "You realize you were flying right handed don't you?" No response, he still insists on left handed flying with a CH Pro / rudders / keyboard.



In my case it's simply the fact that my joystick works so well for me that I'm already more than happy with how I perform in flight sims. Sure, rudder pedals would probably be nice but I don't really have the floor space for it and I also don't want the extra expense. It would be a different story if all I played were flight sims but flight sims only account for a modest percentage of the types of games I play.


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#4432738 - 08/03/18 01:51 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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Track IR.

I can’t play without it.

#4432766 - 08/03/18 04:19 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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1. TrackIR

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#4432773 - 08/03/18 04:36 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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1. TrackIR - best from Gen 4

2. HOTAS and pedals make things a lot easier

3. Tablet for all docs


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#4432792 - 08/03/18 05:46 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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1. Saitek HOTAS and pedals. Affordable, robust, and easy to setup and use.

2. TrackIR. The best "immersion" tool ever made.

I put the HOTAS and pedals first, because without them a lot of flight sims are simply impossible to play, or play well. Before the days of the HOTAS, one had just a joystick and a cardboard overlay (if one were lucky) over the keyboard...and I have never found a sim where one could fly via the keyboard and not be frustrated.

If the TrackIR breaks, it's not the end of playing. But if that HOTAS goes down, that's it. Hit escape and exit.


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#4432797 - 08/03/18 06:01 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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I think the Saitek X-45 was my first HOTAS I bought at CompUSA. It would be the first time that I had a peripheral that gave me direct and ergonomic rudder control with that beautiful rocker switch inset beneath the throttle and I loved it. Up till then I had to use awkward keyboard buttons for rudder. Its also the first thing I ever made two stands for out of pvc to get them in an ergonomic, cockpit-like arrangement. Unfortunately that X-45 has become almost unusable so now I have to use a joystick with a twist axis which I like for ease of use and minimizing clutter.


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#4432812 - 08/03/18 07:35 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart


If the TrackIR breaks, it's not the end of playing. But if that HOTAS goes down, that's it. Hit escape and exit.




Right - I have a spare TIR5 but no spare HOTAS smile


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#4432816 - 08/03/18 07:53 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: MigBuster]  
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Originally Posted by MigBuster
Originally Posted by Dart


If the TrackIR breaks, it's not the end of playing. But if that HOTAS goes down, that's it. Hit escape and exit.




Right - I have a spare TIR5 but no spare HOTAS smile



Hmmm. Spare pedals, check. Spare HOTAS, check. Spare TIR, check. Spare computer, check.

OK, I have way too much spare stuff. smile


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#4432817 - 08/03/18 07:55 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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#4432837 - 08/03/18 08:54 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I'm left handed so no HOTAS and pedals for me. My Thrustmaster joystick and twist rudder/throttle combo though has served me well for several years now. smile



I trained myself to fly right-handed, it really didn’t take that long. It was mainly working on fine motor control. Having an arm rest really helped.


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#4432859 - 08/03/18 10:31 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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Got some cheaters here, lol

No top tens etc. Just the single best simming aid.


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#4432882 - 08/04/18 12:13 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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I think the biggest single improvement in one shot for me was my first widescreen monitor. It just made approaches so much easier compared to 4/3 aspect ratio.

#4432886 - 08/04/18 12:42 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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My Track IR and X-45 , which Ive had for years now.

More recently, an APIGA racing base and a racing seat. I just bought the seat base and not the wheel stand, that way it takes up less space and I can use my desk top to support the TS-PC wheel and 34" ultrawide monitor.
The seat and base is the real key, its nice solid and stable, no rolling no twisting desk chair for me. But did not have to build a permanent sim rig, the seat just sits against the wall like a chair when not in use. If you like racing sims, ditching the desk chair is the best thing you can do.

#4432890 - 08/04/18 01:17 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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Saitek X-45/X-52 and Track IR.


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#4432908 - 08/04/18 04:21 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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So many TrackIR comments - I too had one, but I never really saw it as an "aid".

Added immersion, absolutely.

But when trying to "fly by the book" I always saw that thing as a distraction...

#4432926 - 08/04/18 08:42 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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TrackIR and force sensor stick

#4432936 - 08/04/18 11:36 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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I first read this as 'the best sWimming aid..', and was thinking 'ermm, I don't need aids to swim?'

But best simming aid...
I don't have Track IR, so I guess the first would be moving up to a HOTAS from some cheap stick. Then the next would be rudder pedals - a huge level of control and immersion over a twisty-stick.

#4432946 - 08/04/18 12:22 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: 462cid]  
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Tir 4 or 5. A close second being my MFG Crosswinds, they are simply the best rudder pedals ever IMHO. yep

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#4432959 - 08/04/18 01:23 PM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: Blade_Meister]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_Meister
Tir 4 or 5. A close second being my MFG Crosswinds, they are simply the best rudder pedals ever IMHO. yep

S!Blade<><


Yes indeed. I used Saitek combat pedals for years and had no idea what I was missing until I got a set of Crosswinds.


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#4433359 - 08/07/18 12:41 AM Re: The best simming aid you ever bought [Re: cichlidfan]  
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Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Blade_Meister
Tir 4 or 5. A close second being my MFG Crosswinds, they are simply the best rudder pedals ever IMHO. yep

S!Blade<><


Yes indeed. I used Saitek combat pedals for years and had no idea what I was missing until I got a set of Crosswinds.


Yep! I used Saitek pedals for close to 2 years while I saved money read reviews and debated buying Crosswinds. I liked using rudder pedals but the Saiteks felt "Klunky" to me.
Don't get me wrong, they worked, but "Klunky. Once I took the plunge and received my Crosswinds, within the first 20 minutes I knew I had made my last rudder pedal purchase ever.
Best purchase right behind Track IR4 & 5 that I ever made for simming. yep

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