Hallo guys,

as I have not much time for my hobby at the moment and so a lot of time will go by before I will be able to finish my homepit, I also have to upgrade my hardware once again in the future to be able to run my other simulation with adequate framerates.

The problem is, that I want to use different simulations with my homepit. Some of them need a new powerful hardware (e.g. Falcon BMS, DCS) and some others run much better on older systems (e.g. EECH, Strike Fighters Project 2).

I already have two different systems in the cockpit. one for the newer generation simulations, and one for real old simulators like the whole Jane's series (Longbow Anthology, F-18, F-15, USAF, IAF etc.). This PC runs Windows ME. The "modern" machine is dualbooting XP and Windows 7 64Bit.

But in about three years (the time I will need to finish my cockpit) the "modern" system will not be able to run Falcon BMS or DCS with adquate framerates, cause those two simulations will be permanently upgraded with new graphical features and more. I have to buy a new hardware for the "modern" PC in future. Now it is running an AMD Phenom 1100T with two Geforce 660GTX in SLI. With this system I'm still able to run EECH and Strikefighters Project 2 under Win7 64Bit without any Problems. But the new system will be something like an AMD Ryzen 7 and Geforce 1070 or something else, to have enough power for BMS and DCS in future. This will also mean to change to windows 10 because of the drivers for those new components (mainboard etc.), although I hate the need to leave Window 7 in future!!!

A third PC for running medium old simulations does not make a real sense and there is no space in the pit anymore to integrate it, disregarding the work it would take to interface a third system to the pit. XP will then move to the PC running Windows Me now and I also have planed to do a dualboot here between ME and XP.

This is why I like to ask you for your experiences running EECH Allmods on a modern system with Windows 10 64Bit. Is it possible to run without any problems? The old system has not enough power to run EECH Allmods or Strikefighters Project 2 with a decent framerate and the future system might have problems with those older sims too, because of the hardware and window 10. That's the disaster I'm facing with in the near future.

The cockpit should already be finished since about 2 years, but that's sadly the way life is. Now I have to wait another two or three years before my pit could be ready! A Phenom 1100T and the two 660GTX are still at the limit now, to run BMS and DCS, not to mention how it would perform in future.

Hi Viper,

as you know I've recently upgraded my cockpit PC. It all started because I wanted it on an SSD, but getting an SSD set up in XP was a problem. I eventually gave in and took the drive out (for reference), replaced it with the SSD and installed Windows 7 64 bit. Got everything in Windows set up without any problems.

Installed the latest flavour of EECH with all the mods and it ran without any problems. I have a GeForce GTX6600 graphics card and even on full external detail I still get between 60 and 70 FPS. That drops to around 55 FPS around the larger city models.

My problems arose with supporting programs like MaxiVista Pro for the exporting of the MFDs across a network to the other PC. I don't know if it was a 64 bit issue or a Windows 7 issue, but it would not run. I eventually exported the MFDs to the second output on the graphics card and used that. It doesn't seem to have slowed the frame rate down as I feared it would.

The other problem was with a program called L4SCRunner which I used to start and the support programs in sequence. Again, it just would not install and the company no longer exist. I got around this using multiple batch files that run from a shortcut on the desktop.

So far, so good.

Hope this helps,

Andy

Soczkien had this to say in another thread: Re: EECH ver1.16.0 is out!

"Yesterday installed (EECH 1.16.0) on win 10 x64. Works perfectly! smile"

I've run EECH on Windows 10 64 bit for quite a while, and never experienced any problems. It's not the latest hardware though, as it's an old Dell laptop.

Hello guys,

thank's very much to all of you for the quick response!

Nice to hear that EECH works without problems on Windows 10. I really hate to change to Windows 10 somewhere in the near future, cause I like Windows 7 so much. Windows 10 always act as guardian for you, which is more cumbersome than usefull for an experienced user and there is no way to change most of this. I also don't see any advancements over Windows 7. I had installed it, at the time you could upgrade to it for free and after a short look I immediately returned to Windows 7 again.

But as we all know, there will come a time you have no more way to run the newest mainboard or graphic-cards with Windows 7, cause of the lack of drivers. That was always the only reason I upgraded to a new OS. I used XP until 2011 and was not very impressed to change to Windows 7, but to my surprise 7 and especially the 64Bit version wasn't that bad I first thought.

Windows 7 has the test mode option I need for some of my software (drivers) which aren't MS certified and in Win7 you can run this mode always if you like. All you have to do is to get rid of the "test-mode-watermark" which is easy to do. There is no way to do this with Windows 10 again, because of it's now fully integrated Defender, which you can not get rid of. This stupid Defender always switches Windows back to normal mode after a restart and deactivates all procedures, which automatically start Windows every time in test mode. So no more use of special written drivers for exotic hardware, because the people who programmed it have not the money to certify this software.



Hi Andy,

let me guess what the reason was, to switch from XP to Windows 7? The lack of drivers for ssd?

If there could be a way to use XP with modern hardware, believe me, I would still use Windows XP, because in my opinion it was the best OS Microsoft ever made. Windows 7 is also not bad, but you have to change a lot of things to be a real admin in your own system, to get some stuff really working without any problems. In Windows 10 there is no way to get rid of all those "security" features, that's why I don't like it.

My cockpit will only be online if I'm flying online. The rest of the time it should be separated from the web. For browsing the internet I always used a separate PC with a virtual machine installed. This VM I used for web browsing. If anything got wrong, I only returned the VM to the last working state. I also hate this attempt to force people to be always online with their PC's, but sadly that's the trend for the future and the young generations love it.

My Dell has an AMD Radeon HD 4500, which is really old. The drivers work in Windows 10, but I need to use the last old ones that were released for it. If I upgrade to the new driver package, it stops working. And the Microsoft ones are worse.

So you can use new Windows, but you'll need to have driven era for your hardware.

Yes, I know.

I have two 2TB external HD's (one is a backup copy) only with old drivers and software. After a few years there is no way to get old drivers for some hardware, especially if the hardware was a niche product. Sometimes now even the big manufactors delete their old drivers from their webpages and we all know those very good driver pages you have to make an account or actually pay for getting the wrong drivers