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#4420809 - 05/14/18 09:42 PM VR in Cliffs of Dover?  
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After playing battle of Stalingrad/Moscow/Kuban in VR there is no going back ever.

Are there any plans for Cliffs of Dover to be done in VR?

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#4420852 - 05/15/18 05:01 AM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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What they say is that maybe after 5.0 DLC Tobruk.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topi...pport/?do=findComment&comment=590190

Seems that some cockpits has fake 3D parts and need be re-done.


#4421179 - 05/17/18 11:56 AM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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Didn't Buzzsaw say that the 2D parts are not the reason and that there are only a few items in some planes in 2D.
I think, they think there isn't a massive audience for VR at the moment and working on Tobruk is the priority

#4421243 - 05/17/18 06:25 PM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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VR audience - for Clod, is indeed small, so no reason for prioritize this about dozen and dozen of things that need fix. E.g. AI behavior, commands.

And what reason for make a broken/half-done VR version (like is most of CloD features), players will use this "15 minutes" and shelve, like most did with CloD at release and Blitz.

Pay attention in CloD cockpits and you notice that fake 3D parts is not "so few". Just VR will not sell more CloD, but make then a really good game first may sell.

#4421663 - 05/19/18 10:43 PM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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Originally Posted by MK2
After playing battle of Stalingrad/Moscow/Kuban in VR there is no going back ever.

Are there any plans for Cliffs of Dover to be done in VR?


I haven't even tried Blitz yet because of this very reason. Flying in VR is incredible and it feels like a step backward to even think about playing with a TrackIR again.


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
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in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918
#4426947 - 06/21/18 03:17 AM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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I also only fly VR sims now. I will gladly try Cliffs of Dover once it makes the move to VR.

#4426988 - 06/21/18 02:13 PM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: Sokol1]  
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If, 30 years ago when I first had a pc built to fly Chuck Yeager’s flight simulator, you had asked me how a flight simulator wants to be flown, I would have answered: “from the cockpit”. Of course I had no concept of VR back then, but now the reality is here. If anyone plans to market a WW1/2 combat flight sim in 2020, it needs to support VR. I hold out little hope that TFS will EVER “make then a really good game” from CLoD. My interest has always been in seeing a worthy successor to Rowan’s BoB, not Tobruk. 1CGS/BoX team gained some good will by releasing source code to TF. For that reason I feel some obligation to support TFS. I know however that I have little interest in buying the Tobruk version if it lacks VR support. What price am I willing to pay for a 2020 WWII CFS that lacks VR SUPPORT? I think it extremely short-sighted to view VR as a fad. VR is how flight sims want to be flown.
I accept that CloD/Tobruk will still be a “broken” product upon release whether or not it supports VR. If TFS could provide a praiseworthy implementation of VR however I would gladly pay $80.00. Without VR what is the game worth to me? Why not just keep CloD 4.53?
I have no doubt that Sokol1 is correct in saying that CloD graphics are too archaic to support VR. I just would really prefer that TFS/1CGS/BoX team give a definitive statement to that effect so as to end all discussion of the matter.
Some may believe that the VR community is too small to matter. I believe that the number of VR capable pc’s will grow over time. That is where you will find a market hungry for content and that is where WWII flight sims have their best “fit”.

#4427165 - 06/22/18 01:40 PM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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The market for VR Combat Flight sims might be small but it’s only a matter of time and VR will be as standard as Track IR and a HOTAS setup. Once you fly VR you’ll be a believer and there’s no going back. Even with the low resolution and uncomfortable mask. No VR will mean no buy at a premium price for me.


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#4429476 - 07/08/18 10:52 PM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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#4429794 - 07/10/18 09:49 PM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: Sokol1]  
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Since there is no stated release date for 5.0 how would anyone know if the development manager were to hold back release until VR implementation has been completed? The suggestion is that VR can be implemented with a patch. Would that patch need two months or two years to complete? How many years now has 5.0 been promised? 5.0 should include VR support from the outset. The number of flight simmers moving to VR is likely to represent a growing component of the potential customer base. Non-VR flight sims are obsolete NOW. How much more obsolete will 5.0 appear if introduced in 2019/2020 sans VR support?

#4429834 - 07/11/18 05:35 AM Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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I'm in the same boat. For me it's VR or a pass - I barely have the time to fly as much as I'd like in VR, so if given the choice between VR and non VR, the non VR sim is sure to be a pass. CLOD is a great sim, it would certainly be one of my main sims if it was implemented in VR. Same thing happened with ROF and WOFF - in the age of monitors, I would have favoured WOFF, but now that FC will have VR, I clearly will move to that and WOFF will gather dust.

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#4430519 - 16 hours ago Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: FlyingMonkey]  
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I think there are a lot more VR users than people think .

#4430626 - 39 minutes ago Re: VR in Cliffs of Dover? [Re: MK2]  
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I suspect that there are more flight simmers using VR than some individuals would like to believe. There are individuals with very expensive flight sim setups that were not designed with VR in mind. There are others who would need major hardware upgrades in order to make VR a viable selection choice. There are some for whom online stats are the only things that count. A standard rationale is the assertion VR hmd’s are currently incapable of providing the image resolution they require. They say that maybe by 3rd generation the image quality will suit their needs. Flight simmers not included in those groups are very likely to migrate to VR in coming months and years. Once they do they will never again be satisfied with a monitor and TrackiR. A transition of customer base to VR may happen very quickly. If TFS is serious about providing VR support for CloD 5.0 they should give clear explanation of what work that support will entail. Sokol1 might be accurate in suggesting that existing CloD cockpits would require major upgrades to support VR, maybe a bridge too far. The less detailed TFS’ accounting of items currently preventing VR support the more I fear a basic CloD VR incompatibility that the team is not wanting to acknowledge.


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