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#4429382 - 07/08/18 11:47 AM Interesting site on the Battle of Somme  
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I saw this and thought I would post it. I found the presentation very unique and well done.


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#4429411 - 07/08/18 04:19 PM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Incredible. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to see WWII battles get the same treatment. Or American Civil War battles.


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#4429454 - 07/08/18 07:09 PM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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That is most certainly a great use of internet and graphics technology.

The current landscape views wouldn't work for me, probably my anti-spy blocking stuff.

The picture of the center of one of the towns taken by the 16th Division shows the level of TOTAL destruction. How many men died to advance 11 km?

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#4429480 - 07/08/18 11:45 PM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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The British Army lost about 57,000 men on the first day of the offensive alone.


That is simply incomprehensible for any 21st century person who is used to the news media reporting even small number of casualties. By comparison, the US has lost about 4,400 soldiers in Iraq from 2003 to 2016.

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#4429498 - 07/09/18 12:54 AM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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And over 1,000,000 in 140 days by all combatants

In 2016 the population of Ottawa was 934,200 which would make Ottawa a ghost town.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4429503 - 07/09/18 01:59 AM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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I've read a lot about the Somme battle, specially as my maternal grandfather was wounded there and invalided out of the Army. The modern thought seems to be that:

. The Allies had to attack in the West to take pressure off the Russians and French.
. In 1916 there was just no alternative means of destroying the Germans other than massive bombardment followed by infantry assault. The Germans were doing exactly the same at Verdun at that time with the same colossal casualties. As were the Russians in the East.
. The German High Command considered it a defeat as the Heer was never the same after the Somme. In fact the following year they retreated all along the front to constructed fortifications to avoid a repeat of the Somme. (The Hindenburg Line)

There has been a lot of talk about alternatives, but really there weren't any. Lessons were learnt though, both there and in Flanders the following year, and by Summer 1918, the Brits and Dominions were cutting the Heer into small portions.

Attrition was never a policy of the Imperial General Staff or Haig and his subordinate generals. They just did the best they could with a New Army composed of men with little or no fighting experience incapable of any sophisticated manoeuvres. They did learn as they went along though.

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#4429522 - 07/09/18 04:42 AM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Thx for sharing Oldgrognard, very well done.
A fascinating - but horrifying - read on the subject is "Somme Mud" by Edward Francis Lynch.

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#4429612 - 07/09/18 07:06 PM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Thanks for that site OG. thumbsup


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#4429836 - 07/11/18 06:13 AM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Just by the by, I was reading that grenades and trench mortars weren't introduced until 1917. Kitcheners New Armies were assaulting the German defences with just rifles.

Can you imagine that?


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#4429847 - 07/11/18 10:01 AM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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The last couple of minutes are tough to watch.

This is one of the best movies I’ve seen based on the battle.



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#4429855 - 07/11/18 10:52 AM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Eight granduncles fought in WW1. A couple were gassed and three didn't come home. The three were my paternal grandmother's brothers. Only one has a known grave and he DoW in the great Canadian victory at Vimy Ridge. A couple of weeks later the second died and the last, a boy soldier, at Cambrai in Nov.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4429870 - 07/11/18 01:13 PM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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July 1 is not celebrated as Canada Day in Nfld until after 11:00. It is still our Memorial Day. On that day ,,at the village of Beaumont Hamel on the Somme front ,801 members of the Royal Nfld Regiment went over the top. That evening 68 answered roll call. 91% casualties. The population of the country at the time was just over 250,000. In perspective ,it would be like if today just over 1,000,000 members of the US army were casualties in a single battle

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#4429873 - 07/11/18 01:30 PM Re: Interesting site on the Battle of Somme [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Thank you for that wonderful post Archie. It wasn’t until I had joined SimHQ way back when that I found out Newfoundland was an independent country until 1949.


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