#4424838 - 06/06/18 09:31 AM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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It's hardly a surprise is it!
ED have been selling unrealized promises for nigh on a decade now.
They just need to continually replenish the supply of gullible fools after they've burnt all the goodwill from the previous lot. Thats is a pretty accurate assessment
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#4424841 - 06/06/18 10:21 AM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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You are arguing with sock puppets. Today I discovered some of the same folks who backed Kinney (and still defend ED) went to Twitter in 2014. Guess which candidate they've been supporting? Let the Russians do their thing. Mueller is doing his. Who is Kinney? & the F-18 module, even with only bare minimum weapons systems working, is still a blast to fly. Easily one of the most enjoyable modules & taking up all my time at the moment - with the potential to be a truly great module if/when it is completed. Edit : found out who Kinney is - behind the fake/failed DCS f-35 module
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#4425572 - 06/11/18 03:08 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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You are arguing with sock puppets. Today I discovered some of the same folks who backed Kinney (and still defend ED) went to Twitter in 2014. Guess which candidate they've been supporting? Let the Russians do their thing. Mueller is doing his. There are enough of them on the ED forums. I am happy that SimHQ allows us to set the record straight where and when we can. & the F-18 module, even with only bare minimum weapons systems working, is still a blast to fly. Easily one of the most enjoyable modules & taking up all my time at the moment - with the potential to be a truly great module if/when it is completed. I'm glad you're enjoying the module but how long can you play with limited A-A modes, gimped A-A missiles, ground rockets, and CCIP dumb bombs before you get tired of it and ED has nothing new to offer you? I do hope that ED can keep pace with those who have bought the module to learn-as-they-go but judging by their track record, they won't be able to do so.
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#4427027 - 06/21/18 05:27 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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Just wanted to share a gif with ICE but its inbox is full so ill post here.... ICE enjoy the ultimate RL combat simulator [img] https://gfycat.com/AdoredTediousDragon[/img]
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#4427144 - 06/22/18 11:43 AM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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Yup! Working as intended! The SA-18 (9K38) has delayed impact, magnetic and grazing fusing. No radar proximity fuse. You could argue the magnetic or grazing fuse (back of missile passed through F-15) should have fired. Except that is not a SA-18 (9k38) but a Vikhr (9K121) which DOES have proximity fuze since it is also used for air defense. However we are talking about DCS and proximity fuze is basically non existing.....digital COMBAT SIMULATOR ....
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#4427153 - 06/22/18 12:53 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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DCS has proximity fuzing. It isn't great but it is definitely there and it is testable (you can change the range etc). The Vikhr has a short proximity fuze, and more to the point - if this was an online engagement then it is easily possible that either the aircraft or missile trajectory is not exact, among other things.
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#4427214 - 06/22/18 05:01 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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The SA-18 (9K38) has delayed impact, magnetic and grazing fusing. No radar proximity fuse. You could argue the magnetic or grazing fuse (back of missile passed through F-15) should have fired. Expect that is not a SA-18 (9k38) but a Vikhr (9K121) which DOES have proximity fuze since it is also used for air defense. However we are talking about DCS and proximity fuze is basically non existing.....digital COMBAT SIMULATOR .... Yeah, I was wondering where the SA-18 comment came from when that is clearly a Vikhr Working as intended!! DCS has proximity fuzing. It isn't great but it is definitely there and it is testable (you can change the range etc). The Vikhr has a short proximity fuze, and more to the point - if this was an online engagement then it is easily possible that either the aircraft or missile trajectory is not exact, among other things. So we're blaming online "inaccuracies" now? What do you think, GG? Is that close enough, do you think?
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#4427225 - 06/22/18 05:52 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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DCS has proximity fuzing. It isn't great but it is definitely there and it is testable (you can change the range etc). The Vikhr has a short proximity fuze, and more to the point - if this was an online engagement then it is easily possible that either the aircraft or missile trajectory is not exact, among other things. 2 possibilities: - Massive de-sync betweenclient and server, the missile was actually pretty far from the aircraft (server side) but the player saw it pretty close (client side) - Fuze code simply didn't work (one of the thousands unfinished features or simply bug?). Otherwise the server code would have detected that at some point both were pretty close and would have triggered the detonation....maybe with a huge delay/lag making the missile explode too late (way after the clip). Either possibilities represents critical behavior that is kind of unacceptable for a combat simulator. This is the problem with DCS, they focus too much on individual airframe and eyecandy stuff ignoring everything else (combat, netcode, ATC, etc...). Let's be real, unless you are a real pilot of one of the DCS airframes and you want to compare, as long as the flight model is credible you are happy (that's why after a new patch everyone says..."wow the FM is so realistic, this is the best FM"). What makes difference for us, at least for me, is the experience as a whole where DCS fails miserably. They provide a great FM experience (not perfect as some like to repeat over and over) and this is it.....
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#4427240 - 06/22/18 07:30 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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So it is MP, NightEagle? Either way, it's a bit LOLZ for DCS. Either the MP needs fixing or the code needs fixing, something needs fixing!
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#4427242 - 06/22/18 08:02 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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So it is MP, NightEagle? Either way, it's a bit LOLZ for DCS. Either the MP needs fixing or the code needs fixing, something needs fixing! That video isn't mine, someone posted on re***t and i didn't want you to miss it. Whether MP or SP my comment doesn't change.
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#4427315 - 06/23/18 03:37 AM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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So we're blaming online "inaccuracies" now? What do you think, GG? Is that close enough, do you think? Wow Ice, you were able to find a screenshot proving ED is incompetent. Again! Man you are good Not sure who 'we' are Ice. GrayGhost's counterpoint seems valid. And you come up with 'blaming'? Disappointing
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#4427329 - 06/23/18 10:16 AM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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Wow Ice, you were able to find a screenshot proving ED is incompetent. Again! Man you are good Yes, I'm an expert in hitting the pause button at the right time. Some Photoshop skills come in handy too! To be fair, not all credit goes to me. A big chunk of the credit should go to ED; they make it too easy. Not sure who 'we' are Ice. GrayGhost's counterpoint seems valid. And you come up with 'blaming'? Disappointing I'm sure you can easily figure out who "we" are As for "blaming," what would you suggest?
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#4427342 - 06/23/18 01:41 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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So we're blaming online "inaccuracies" now? ...And you come up with 'blaming'? Disappointing In my understand ICE is saying that they cannot hide behind multiplayer inaccuracies which is 100% correct. This is not a case of a MOD team that can't do a heck about the core product but just work on the MOD content. ED is responsible for netcode development and maintenance, any "inaccuracies" falls on them. There are tons of MP games out there that transmits way more data than DCS in real time and still manage to work fine. Besides i'm sorry but this specific situation (entities position distribution and trigger detection) is really basic topic which is kind of ABC of developing MP logic, screwing this up is screwing the foundation. We are not talking about advanced MP programming topic. Unless as i said the fuze code is simply messed up like many things in DCS..........
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#4427348 - 06/23/18 02:33 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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We are not talking about advanced MP programming topic.
Nothing about netcode in a sim is not advanced. Games that have far more forgiving constraints (e.g. shooters, because the phantoms move much slower) have issues when the connection is poor (high ping or even worse, packet loss). I'm not saying that EDs netcode is perfect, but if you think that a) other games don't have the same problems or b) the things that don't work when the connection is poor are easy fixes, you need to have a good hard look at information theory.
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#4427356 - 06/23/18 03:22 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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I have a theory about your information Scientific concepts care precious little about our opinions, yet they govern what can and can't be done with technology.
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#4427416 - 06/23/18 09:18 PM
Re: Is ED deliberately misleading potential customers?
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In my understand ICE is saying that they cannot hide behind multiplayer inaccuracies which is 100% correct.
Unless as i said the fuze code is simply messed up like many things in DCS.......... Who was it that put forward that the game engine sends data about flight surface deflection over MP and that's why ping issues or delay is the reason why sometimes aircraft teleport all over the place? That was a LOLZ one for sure! Nothing about netcode in a sim is not advanced.
Games that have far more forgiving constraints (e.g. shooters, because the phantoms move much slower) have issues when the connection is poor (high ping or even worse, packet loss).
I'm not saying that EDs netcode is perfect, but if you think that a) other games don't have the same problems or b) the things that don't work when the connection is poor are easy fixes, you need to have a good hard look at information theory. Do you have any evidence that this was taken from an MP session and not SP? Scientific concepts care precious little about our opinions, yet they govern what can and can't be done with technology. Have you mentioned that to the guys over at ED?
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