#4418849 - 05/02/18 06:30 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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No, we don't. For the late battle, many fighters were based much closer to Rabaul than Henderson. Ofc Guadalcanal to rabaul in one map would be great, but if it's too wide for the game I'd favor Rabaul and the northern part of the slot. Online, against competent IJN pilots, the late 43/early44 game is much more balanced IMO. By early 1944 there was no fighter opposition left at Rabaul. Read Blackburns account commanding VF-17. I think starting at the beginning of the air campaign starting in August of 1942 would be much more interesting.
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#4418890 - 05/02/18 11:42 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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Please tell me what shot down Boyington on january 3rd, 44, then ?
Fighters were moved from Rabaul in mid february, I think this qualifies late 43/early 44 as valid for a rabaul campaign.
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#4418919 - 05/03/18 03:46 AM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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Jeeezzzzzz.....
Mid Feb 1944 IS "early 1944", just as I stated.
So if you want a scenario that only lasts for a couple of months when there are fewer and fewer Japanese aircraft and more and more allied aircraft that's fine and late 43 / early 44 is just exactly the time period for you.
As for me, I'd rather start off when the odds were stacked against the allies.
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#4418921 - 05/03/18 04:30 AM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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Also keep in mind that the 3d modelers, physics guys, flight model guys, graphics guys, 3d modelers are all separate guys (generally) so sticking to only one thing might mean that some people move on from the project. if the 3d modelers finish up the plans and the texture guys move in then the 3d modelers can pick up tanks or ships or etc. Its not like adding tanks pushes back as much as you think it does.
This is kind of the same situation that starcitizen is in. People hate that they keep releasing new ships to buy. But the concept guys dont have anything to do with the other parts of the game so them doing concept stuff doesnt push the game back. All the teams function independently and each need a full schedule of work else they will have to fire people and rehire later.
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#4419983 - 05/10/18 05:06 AM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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We are resurrecting the PTO fantasy that imploded last Fall when the developers were finally forced to pull the “pipe dream” plug. It is understandable that a developer might tease an audience into believing they are working on a project that the developer knows will not be forthcoming. To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario. The reasons that a PTO offering would be unlikely were thoroughly elaborated upon in a previous thread. None of those obstacles are going to be tackled by this developer. German hardware is integral to the product line. That fact makes it impossible to move to other theaters. So, sorry, no PTO or Mig Alley for you. Russians have done PTO sims before (even if not very well). I think it is likely 1C will try again.
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#4420085 - 05/10/18 06:11 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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We are resurrecting the PTO fantasy that imploded last Fall when the developers were finally forced to pull the “pipe dream” plug. It is understandable that a developer might tease an audience into believing they are working on a project that the developer knows will not be forthcoming. To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario. The reasons that a PTO offering would be unlikely were thoroughly elaborated upon in a previous thread. None of those obstacles are going to be tackled by this developer. German hardware is integral to the product line. That fact makes it impossible to move to other theaters. So, sorry, no PTO or Mig Alley for you. Russians have done PTO sims before (even if not very well). I think it is likely 1C will try again. Would be helpful if you could provide a complete list of all those previous PTO “sims” you are referencing.
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#4420110 - 05/10/18 07:30 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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We are resurrecting the PTO fantasy that imploded last Fall when the developers were finally forced to pull the “pipe dream” plug. It is understandable that a developer might tease an audience into believing they are working on a project that the developer knows will not be forthcoming. To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario. The reasons that a PTO offering would be unlikely were thoroughly elaborated upon in a previous thread. None of those obstacles are going to be tackled by this developer. German hardware is integral to the product line. That fact makes it impossible to move to other theaters. So, sorry, no PTO or Mig Alley for you. Russians have done PTO sims before (even if not very well). I think it is likely 1C will try again. Would be helpful if you could provide a complete list of all those previous PTO “sims” you are referencing. One would be IL-2 Pacific Fighters.
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#4420113 - 05/10/18 07:45 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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We are resurrecting the PTO fantasy that imploded last Fall when the developers were finally forced to pull the “pipe dream” plug. It is understandable that a developer might tease an audience into believing they are working on a project that the developer knows will not be forthcoming. To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario. The reasons that a PTO offering would be unlikely were thoroughly elaborated upon in a previous thread. None of those obstacles are going to be tackled by this developer. German hardware is integral to the product line. That fact makes it impossible to move to other theaters. So, sorry, no PTO or Mig Alley for you. Russians have done PTO sims before (even if not very well). I think it is likely 1C will try again. Would be helpful if you could provide a complete list of all those previous PTO “sims” you are referencing. One would be IL-2 Pacific Fighters. Please continue.
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#4421497 - 05/19/18 01:07 AM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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1C/Madd We are resurrecting the PTO fantasy that imploded last Fall when the developers were finally forced to pull the “pipe dream” plug. It is understandable that a developer might tease an audience into believing they are working on a project that the developer knows will not be forthcoming. To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario. The reasons that a PTO offering would be unlikely were thoroughly elaborated upon in a previous thread. None of those obstacles are going to be tackled by this developer. German hardware is integral to the product line. That fact makes it impossible to move to other theaters. So, sorry, no PTO or Mig Alley for you. Russians have done PTO sims before (even if not very well). I think it is likely 1C will try again. Would be helpful if you could provide a complete list of all those previous PTO “sims” you are referencing. One would be IL-2 Pacific Fighters. Please continue. Also Pacific Storm (which had some light sim air/naval sim elements). Anyway, your are just being difficult. Sure, I do not know the future, but there is precedent for 1C doing a Pacific sim if they think it could sell.
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#4421605 - 05/19/18 04:22 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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It was all set to go to the pacific... Jason had posted it was going to happen, we had the titles name and where the next expansion for it was going to be set... Unfortunately, as it transpired, they simply could not get hold of the extensive information required (on the Japanese side) within the time frame. it's as simple as that. Read his post on the reasons why in the BoS forums... It has always been one of his goals to visit the Pacific and do it properly, unlike Pacific Fighters...
The above response is deflection at best. The question I posed is why would it have made business sense for the developer to spend available cash to invent a PTO offering when it would be far more cost effective to expand the series to include more German & Russian hardware. By adding US and British AC they could expand their base rather than risk alienating the LW and Russian-oriented base they had already established. Also, to the best of my recollection, there was never a firm commitment to a PTO as the next offering after BoK. If anyone can document such a commitment please re-post to this thread so we can discuss. O/W please understand that this thread could be construed simply as solicitation for “happy talk” from the developer regarding a PTO sim.
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#4421609 - 05/19/18 05:10 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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*** You are ignoring this user *** Toggle the display of this post Don't do it Cloyd, just don't do it! You know that it's just going to piss you off if you hit that "Toggle the display of this post". This is all one needs to know about Frogyy2's posting in this topic: "To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario." Clearly what any successful flightsim needs is more 109s and more places to fly them. You Americans, Japanese, Australians, New Zealanders, Chinese, etc. are just not a big enough market to make for a successful flightsim.
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#4421660 - 05/19/18 10:27 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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Well, I suppose anyone can speculate about the developer's motives but based on what I read over on IL2's forum it seems as if they really do want to develop a Pacific title. You know, one thing that doesn't resonate with me is when simmers complain about the Pacific because of their own personal lack of interest in the theater. Meanwhile, i'm here having a blast on the Eastern front, which I had virtually zero preexisting interest in. Each faction, region, and campaign presents its own unique challenges. A good flight sim would be fun in just about any historical scenario they could choose. It's my opinion, of course, but even though I am not a betting man I would wager it to be a true statement. I get the desire to see your particular interest play out on the computer screen. I am in the same boat! But I am excited about Bodenplatte and Flying Circus as well. They may not be where my main interest lies, but I can already tell they're going to be the source of many hours of fun. So I hope they keep up the good work, and I will hold on to hope that one day in the not-so-distant future I will be flying an SBD off the Yorktown.
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#4421661 - 05/19/18 10:31 PM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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*** You are ignoring this user *** Toggle the display of this post Don't do it Cloyd, just don't do it! You know that it's just going to piss you off if you hit that "Toggle the display of this post". This is all one needs to know about Frogyy2's posting in this topic: "To some observers it always seemed inconceivable that the developers would sacrifice their LW-centric clientele for a PTO scenario." Clearly what any successful flightsim needs is more 109s and more places to fly them. You Americans, Japanese, Australians, New Zealanders, Chinese, etc. are just not a big enough market to make for a successful flightsim. +1
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#4421671 - 05/20/18 12:45 AM
Re: Will this sim ever make it to the Pacific?
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Hell, I want to fly Pacific missions so badly that I wish they'd just do some Japanese planes so we can use them on the Kuban map. It looks enough like New Guinea to make that fun. But I know people want carriers. And I really do think it's going to happen. But I don't see it happening tomorrow. In the meantime, what they've done is fun. And getting even better. Bodenplatte looks good and I'm looking forward to it.
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