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#4421271 - 05/17/18 08:16 PM Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim  
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I live near Salt Lake City, UT, where Hill AFB has an F-35 Fighter Wing (388th). I see them flying overhead frequently and find myself pining for the glory days of JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) or TAW (Total Air War) or Falcon 4 or Tornado, where developers were content to release 1-aircraft study sims that may not have been ultra-high fidelity, but sure were fun to fly.

It's heart-breaking to me that we are finally at a place where processors and graphic cards can re-create photo-realistic graphics and flight sims have all but dried up. DCS has let me down too many times with their ridiculous release schedules and requirements (200 GB of HD space? 32 GB of RAM? Really?).

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#4421296 - 05/17/18 10:27 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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Even if ED/DCS were perfect, nobody is getting study level data on an F-35 anytime soon.


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#4421298 - 05/17/18 10:39 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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Well, I guess it's hard to make a proper study sim of this aircraft as probably most documentation about it is still classified? Why the F-35 and not the F-22? TAW was about the F-22. Because you see the F-35 all day?

Never say never though! biggrin


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#4421358 - 05/18/18 10:58 AM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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Originally Posted by JCathcart


Larry Holland, Microprose or Spectrum Holobyte, where art thou?


All long gone! The last thing I remember being made by Larry Holland and his studio was "Secret Weapons over Normandy" which is was about 15 years ago.

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#4421374 - 05/18/18 01:07 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Well, I guess it's hard to make a proper study sim of this aircraft as probably most documentation about it is still classified? Why the F-35 and not the F-22? TAW was about the F-22. Because you see the F-35 all day?

Never say never though! biggrin


IMO, a proper study sim is one where the developer makes it as realistic as possible with known information, and takes their best reasonable guesses for the rest.

A sampling of my old and low-res pics (I'm sure a developer could find newer high-res pics and all kinds of info on the F-35 to make a reasonable approximation)...

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Attached Files F-35.jpgF-35_Cockpit_(dusk_with_virtual_HMD).jpgF-35_Cockpit_(Simulator)-1.jpgf35interface-lg.jpg


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#4421392 - 05/18/18 02:23 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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I wouldn't mind a Microprose-quality F-35 sim, reminiscent of F-19 Stealth Fighter, dripping with atmosphere, slick interface and pre-flight graphics, edgy missions and opportunities for advancement. The glory days of flight simming, where I didn't need to spend months reading a binder, and the developers actually cared about immersion and got what made simming fun.

#4421440 - 05/18/18 06:25 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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I want a study sim of the original joint strike fighter, the F-4 Phantom.

#4421455 - 05/18/18 07:21 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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^ Also streakeagle's dream, although IIRC he was happy to go from Jane's USAF (w/modern HUD) to a more realistic SF:P1.

Man, this reminds me, it warms the heart to see some really old flight sim websites are still up... smile
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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4421457 - 05/18/18 07:35 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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Microprose really got a lot of mileage out of the F-19 engine. I personally wouldn't mind a new Jetfighter style game.

#4421458 - 05/18/18 07:36 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: JCathcart]  
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Read something today about Bohemia Interactive teaming together to provide the US Navy with a simulation solution for the USN's T45 Goshawk using a combination of physical hardware for the cockpit, virtual reality for the scenery and augmented reality.

Article here: https://bisimulations.com/company/n...ations-develop-virtual-augmented-reality


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#4421503 - 05/19/18 02:22 AM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG

IMO, a proper study sim is one where the developer makes it as realistic as possible with known information, and takes their best reasonable guesses for the rest.


+1


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#4421504 - 05/19/18 02:22 AM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
I want a study sim of the original joint strike fighter, the F-4 Phantom.


+1


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#4421531 - 05/19/18 10:11 AM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
IMO, a proper study sim is one where the developer makes it as realistic as possible with known information, and takes their best reasonable guesses for the rest.

Agree with you on this!


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#4421536 - 05/19/18 10:22 AM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: Evil Flower]  
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Originally Posted by Evil Flower
Microprose really got a lot of mileage out of the F-19 engine. I personally wouldn't mind a new Jetfighter style game.


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#4421567 - 05/19/18 01:31 PM Re: Sigh...I will never see an F-35 combat study sim [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
I want a study sim of the original joint strike fighter, the F-4 Phantom.


It's on Belsimtek's schedule, F-4E is inbound.


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