I just want to take off from a carrier.

Will never pre order again after DCS ww2 mess.

It looks a good fun module but out of principle no way.

I missed the WW2 fiasco, so I can't relate to that. Personally, I would never donate to a "kickstarter" type program.

Are you guys afraid the hornet wont come out? Or just upset over how that situation went down?
Like I said, I missed that stuff.

And I do have FC3, so I do fly the Su-33, but that misses the point.

https://youtu.be/Ch5z3DMC3RA

Personally, I would never donate to a "kickstarter" type program.

Are you guys afraid the hornet wont come out? Or just upset over how that situation went down?

It depends. I jumped in on BattleTech and Steel Division and I'm very, very happy with both products so it's not a kickstarter program that's the issue, it's whether the devs can deliver or not. ED have consistently shown they would trip over their own feet.



Oh no, not afraid the Hornet will come out, I'm sure it will. It's not the product itself that's the issue, it's the state the product is in and how long it will get to more feature-complete. I get that we're paying for a in-development product, but I also expect it to be available after a reasonable timeframe. That's where ED fails consistently.


How does flying an Su-33 miss the point?

I do believe the kickstarter has an issue. I contacted kickstarter over the ww2 sh1tshow and got nothing. They have zero interest if a project goes tits up. They're quite happy to take their cut the backer has zero chance to recoup any money. The backers of the ww2 got f@cked over and there is nothing. nothing they can do about it. I refuse to use kickstarter, refuse to give anymore money to ED, advise all my friends to avoid the "fighter collection" and the "flying legends airshow". Some have, some haven't. Yes I am bitter.

I don't blame you. All I was saying is that the issue is not Kickstarter

IIRC, the rules are if the project does not get the necessary funding, people get their money back (or no money is actually taken) but if the project does get the goal amount, the money is taken, but then obviously you're on your own. I don't see how KS should be responsible if the project goes tits up afterwards as they are a crowdfunding site, not a project management site.

Then again, I wasn't following the WWII stuff. Did it go tits up during the KS time or well after?

No the kickstarter was a success. The issue is once the money was taken the rewards, set out in the kickstarter, were reduced severely. Not only that, the timeframe of the project has come and gone years ago. ED, once they received the money decided they were not going to honour the Kickstarter. I would assume that the "team", behind the kickstarter, which included ED, had signed a contract with Kickstarter to fulfill the Kickstarter? If not what is the point of kickstarter? Anyone can scam anyone. Just put together some BS ask for money and once you receive it decide "nah, thanks for the money" but changed my mind.

Kickstarter Basics: Accountability

Who is responsible for completing a project as promised?

It's the project creator's responsibility to complete their project. Kickstarter is not involved in the development of the projects themselves.

Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.

I hold them all responsible. KS, ED, the fighter collection, RRG and all the others that were part of the "team". I also hold myself responsible. I wont ever back another kickstarter and I wont ever trust an ED beta again.

I'm no expert but I bet you will find KS will have no involvement on the project itself and will clearly state they have no liabilities or connections with any of the projects on their site. Like I said, KS is a crowdfunding site. If the project is a scam, it's people's responsibility to do their own research and back a project or not.

Did KS reduce the WWII rewards? Did they manage the WWII project? Did ED have to take over the WWII project from KS? You are making unfair and unfounded connections between the WWII dev team (and ED) and the KS people.

DCS WWII is not the first and not the only project to have a successful KS campaign only to fail in the delivery.


Here's an entry on their FAQ page:

Source

Bought it.............. everyone said the same thing about the Harrier and I've been enjoying the hell out of that plane.....one of my favorite

I hold them all responsible.

Yep. And I might have forgiven them were it not for the fact you ask questions about this stuff on their forums and get banned.
Shocking attitude.

Flying the Su33 misses the point because its A: Russian, B: going off a ramp.

Remember the Kinney scam when you consider making ANY ED purchase.

I see
Just wanted to be sure you were aware that they aren't, but if you want to blame them, go right ahead!! Don't forget to blame your bank for allowing you to make such a purchase too!!

On a more serious note, don't cross off KS just because of this. As I mentioned, there are quite a few projects worth supporting, but you'll have to do your own research.



When you say "them," I assume you mean ED?



Haha! Gotcha! But like I said, takeoffs in F-18s are hands-off-the-controls affairs so don't see myself missing out on anything as I've no control there anyway. As for Russian vs. American, well, once you're doing carrier landings, does it really matter? I think it's close enough as they're both fighter jets. I bet the experience would be way different if you were landing an American F-18 Hornet vs. landing an American E-2 Hawkeye.



Kinney scam?