Based on T50/Su-57 prototypes but adapted to virtual pilot needs.




> [*]7 x Toggle Switches > three of this switches are 3 position with return to center: (MON)-OFF-(MON).

Afterburner and idle detentes type of "push-through" (like Saitek's), and removable.

Nice! Although I'm a bit worried about that travel, seems a bit short? Also, how exactly does it do AB? I'd love to see the removable mechanism.

Looks rad.

Tempted to buy over whatever VKB may end up offering and would 100% do so except for the fact of the presence of toggle switches which I find useless especially if you want to program the device within a game. I am talking about radio switch style toggles.

For the TM Warthog, I could forgive since it was intended to mimic the the controls when paired along DCS A-10, but in typical games there are not that useful to have.

Unless I am wrong and those are momentary toggles, then kudos to Virpil.

Three of this base toggle switches are momentary type, (MON)-OFF-(MON), similar do X-55/6 base switches, is not latch type like Warghog.

The other four I don't know, but if is ON-OFF seems the firmware configurator (Wip) allow set button press for OFF state of switch.

Design "final" version:


https://virpil.com/en/blog/106-vpc-mongoost-50-throttle-off-to-production

Hmm.

Generally speaking, I like it. I'd want to ensure it at least has parity with the Warthogs on-throttle controls. I'm not sure if there's a slew 'stick' (nub) on the front of the throttle (maybe one of those grey "buttons" is mini-joystick?).

Also, I LOVE the IDEA of the on-throttle wheel, great for radar elevation in newer FBW fighters, or elevator trim in older planes. In fact, I KNOW this is an amazing idea because it worked great in my Logitech G940...briefly. The axis would spike like crazy, as any movement of the throttle seemed to tug at the wires leading to the pot for the wheel, causing the control input to spike. I'm hoping Virpil found a way around this.

Really liking the adjustable tension AND detentes. In addition, the master-stores release button (at least that's what it looks like to me) is a nice touch, as is the guarded "master arm" switch. both are controls that you might need to engage quickly, and fumbling with a keyboard control or mouse click in the cockpit takes vital seconds to complete.

Flaps lever, I'm not sold on. It appears to be an axis, and most titles I currently play (and most aircraft, for that matter), have fixed stops for their flaps. I know there are ways to map out points on an axis to virtual "hard stops", but that seems like and added complication. On the other hand, it would be a nice axis for the Harriers nozzle control...

Finally, can someone please put a mini gear lever on a throttle? I can certainly use one of the many toggle switches on the base, but 'clunking' a larger lever would be just that much more immersive.


For me, it'll come down to price. The 'problem' for me is that the warthog throttle is already very nice (especially for modern ops), and I think in my situation I'd get more bang for my sim control buck by going with a higher end gimbals than a throttle. I'd hope at least some part of the throttle handle is metal, as in the warthog the metal palm grip is a really nice touch, and makes the whole unit feel more substantial.

Hmm.

MT-50 throttle release version don't come with mini-stick. Seems a proper hardware solution was not found yet.

Existing hardware (mini-stick) on market are mostly designed for gamepad use and based on low cost potentiometer, presenting durability problem.

So, for don't postpone more the release the initial version came only with HAT's - this version probable fit only for WW2 players not interested in other genre, as mini-stick has little or no use for WW2 planes.

Besides the mini-stick hardware not solved issue are a preference conflict:

"Jet" pilots want mini-stick under finger (a la Warthog "slew').
"Spaceship" pilots want mini-stick under thumb finger (for 6DOF control).

IMO - The ideal solution, even increasing the throttle cost is:

Mini-stick in a module, removable by EXTERNAL side and swappable with HAT in finger and thumb position, just be release a screw and disconnect a plug.

"Two birds, one stone", please all pilots "taste" and allow easily replace worn-out mini-stick, without need dismantle the grips and use solder.

Wasn't the ministick on the Warthog using a Hall sensor? Its main flaw was that the control was just the "nub" and not the whole finger "stick" like on a gamepad. If that is the case, I wonder why a full sized Hall version of a game pad stick does not exist?

Regardless, this throttle looks great. I especially like the looks of what appears to be a whole bank of encoder and/or rotatory controls at the bottom. Now I am undecided between this or the VKB TECS.

The thing used in Warthog "slew" is AMS A5013 EasyPoint , use HALL sensor but has low resolution output - 8 bits (256 points).

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10835

Like you say probable impaired by the bad implementation in Warthog with that "mini-HAT" cap instead a pressure cap, e.g. like this:

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9426

If Virpil could actually distribute anything from their factory, that would be a great start.....there are many disgruntled customers at the moment.

While that mounting solution looks great, I cannot help but think it'll have a lot of play.

Ice, how far along is this Dual Throttle? Is it vaporware and fancy CAD photos only or is it actually being produced or are there at least prototypes out for testing?

The above throttle picture is prototype, whose production is said that will start "soon™".

Pre-order estimated for May, 20 - but VPC(VirPil) and VKB dates seems based in... Mayan Calendar.



In an less than optimal desk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tsWM3FojOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYpRjozPFvE

https://youtu.be/c0xlUOdpvL8?t=226

A little better desk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4ifXUSPFk

Pre-order: $ 343.95

https://virpil-controls.eu/news/post/opening-of-the-virpil-controls-eu-webstore-and-pre-orders

Wow! Seems like I'm wrong on that one!

For just the throttle?

That's around £240 whereas the TM WH throttle is £230 on Amazon UK.... but the throttle is currently on-sale for £190.

Might be a good idea for them to bundle the throttle and stick for a discount in order to compete with TM WH? Looking forward to somebody testing this and giving a direct comparison with the WH throttle.

I ordered my Virpil hardware (not this throttle) on 4th March, it was all in stock at the time of the order when my money was taken and has supposedly been in stock at all times and yet it still hasn't even shipped yet.

Looks like they are sorting shipping - anyway mail they support or Cyph3r (they western representative in UK).

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3457995&postcount=89