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#4416719 - 04/17/18 04:18 PM F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up.  
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https://theaviationist.com/2018/04/...e-engine-power-loss-pilot-lands-gear-up/

Unofficial sources at the scene of the incident said that, “The slide happened on takeoff. It appears to have been a left engine flameout when the pilot throttled up to take off. By the time he realized the engine was dead, he had already been airborne for a few seconds and raised the gear. The jet bounced for around 1500 feet, and then slid for about 5000 feet. They got it off the ground and on its landing gear last night, so the runway is clear.”

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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...during-major-mishap-friday-at-nas-fallon


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#4416740 - 04/17/18 07:44 PM Re: F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up. [Re: No Fear]  
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I'm amazed he didn't get some kind of warning going off in the cockpit with a flame out. Can't imagine the kind of damage the bottom received sliding down the runway. That plane will never see an actual war, I'm sure repairing the radar skin is extremely expensive.


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#4416743 - 04/17/18 07:52 PM Re: F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up. [Re: No Fear]  
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#4416749 - 04/17/18 08:33 PM Re: F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up. [Re: Top Gun]  
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Originally Posted by Top Gun
I'm amazed he didn't get some kind of warning going off in the cockpit with a flame out. Can't imagine the kind of damage the bottom received sliding down the runway. That plane will never see an actual war, I'm sure repairing the radar skin is extremely expensive.


The material is composite that's easily replaced, its the shape of the airplane that deflects radar pulses.

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But it's looking like the second engine failure on Elmo* jets in a 7 day period

elmo?


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But it's looking like the second engine failure on Elmo* jets in a 7 day period

elmo?

Short for Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage, AK.


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#4416757 - 04/17/18 09:51 PM Re: F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up. [Re: No Fear]  
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I am amazed a Gazillion dollar twin engine airplane cannot continue to fly after being already airborne on one engine...at least a quick climb out and RTB.

No weapons, yes an assumption, as is full fuel.

Lots of other possibilities though...bad fuel? Pilot screwed the pooch? Total hydraulic failure including controls...dunno.


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#4416812 - 04/18/18 12:02 PM Re: F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up. [Re: Top Gun]  
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Originally Posted by Top Gun
I'm amazed he didn't get some kind of warning going off in the cockpit with a flame out. Can't imagine the kind of damage the bottom received sliding down the runway. That plane will never see an actual war, I'm sure repairing the radar skin is extremely expensive.


I'm amazed too but I'm also amazed by the following:

From the 1st link:
''The source also alleged there was another engine-related incident on an Elmendorf F-22 within the last seven days, although this unofficial information has not been verified.''

From the 2nd link:
''The F-22 community has experienced a number of gear-up and runway mishaps over the last half-decade or so.On May 31st, 2012 a student pilot on his second solo flight in the F-22 didn't apply enough power before retracting the jet's landing gear during departure. The F-22 sunk down and careened its way across the runway on its belly before coming to a stop. The cost to repair that jet was a whopping $35M and took six years to accomplish the task.''

Also from the 2nd link:
''In 2015 another Alaska-based Raptor had a brake issue on the runway at Honolulu International Airport causing damage to the aircraft. The jet was there for the 154th Fighter Wing's annual Sentry Aloha exercise. Three years earlier another F-22, this one belonging to the local Hawaii Air National Guard 199th Fighter Squadron, experienced a tail-strike while landing. The repair bill for that mishap was $1.8M.''

I hate it when hi-tech machines break down and at that rate/frequency!


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The 6-year repair time just blows my mind. I’d like to know the reasoning behind it. I wonder if that, along with normal attrition and any combat losses, was taken into consideration when 183 F22s were declared to be enough to replace 400-odd F15Cs in the air superiority role all the way to 2040 or beyond.


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Originally Posted by NH2112
I wonder if that, along with normal attrition and any combat losses, was taken into consideration when 183 F22s were declared to be enough to replace 400-odd F15Cs in the air superiority role all the way to 2040 or beyond.



Congress made the determination to cut the order down to 183. I'm 95% certain that the overriding concern was cost and not anything you mentioned.


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That’s what I’m saying, they did it solely for cost reasons but apparently didn’t consider that normal losses over time would result in possibly not having enough to fulfill the mission. The F35 could stand in if needed, but then what takes their place in strike missions?


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I believe the main reason they cut the F-22 buy was that the cost of maintenance for a full fleet would have swallowed the budget once they started getting old and tired.

#4416858 - 04/18/18 05:44 PM Re: F-22 Incident.Pilot Lands Gear-Up. [Re: No Fear]  
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Another thing that I just remembered about the F-22.
Wasn't there a problem a few years back with its oxygen supply system or sth like that?

And I think sth similar happened with the F-35 if I remember correctly.

I guess not many expected issues like these from such advanced aircraft.


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There could be a whole bunch of reasons why it might take six years to repair an aircraft that landed gear up.

The most clever is that the USAF could keep it off the books as unable to operate, possibly unable to repair, and ask for one to replace it. Then they can be up one aircraft from the total permitted when they sign off on all the repairs.

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Originally Posted by Dart
There could be a whole bunch of reasons why it might take six years to repair an aircraft that landed gear up.

The most clever is that the USAF could keep it off the books as unable to operate, possibly unable to repair, and ask for one to replace it. Then they can be up one aircraft from the total permitted when they sign off on all the repairs.

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In this case though the F-22 cannot be replaced since the necessary factory infrastructure and tooling is no longer in place to produce another F-22. They would have to upgrade an an F-35. smile


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Well technically they boxed up all the factory stuff and stored it away in a warehouse when they moved most of the project staff out to Texas(those who took the offer... many quit). However, I recall hearing from an engineer I know who worked on the plane, that they forgot to label all the boxes properly...


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