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#4413457 - 03/29/18 12:40 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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I agree with you there, however, I doubt that you'll be tracking for all of 13 seconds. With jousting, even if you empty your capacitor on the joust, you're back at full-cap once you're ready to attack again anyway, right? At least that's what I think; I'm no expert on this so would appreciate input smile

Might be nice to get your thoughts on it if you were mindful of tracking time and capacitor use. Again, I agree that continous fire of 13 seconds is better, but if you're only tracking for 6 seconds, 13 seconds capacitor capacity is overkill. Shorter fire but more damage. The question is do you track for more? or less? than 6-7 seconds?


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#4413458 - 03/29/18 12:41 PM Re: Python [Re: alexb]  
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Originally Posted by alexb
Anaconda is also the best explorer money can buy.

Got a fit for this? I agree it's crazy for module slots, but what about jump range?
It better be good for the price!!


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#4413461 - 03/29/18 12:57 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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I'm not a master post-quoter like Ice is, so forgive me. So many things I want to address, or that were addressed to me, and I will fail to address,

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Waste of hardpoint. You'll want two mining lasers at least, and they only come up to Size 2 (Medium). And you may want more than 3 collector limpets out otherwise you'd be waiting beside your empty asteroid for quite some time.


Thanks, that's really good to know. I've not used a mining laser and didn't realize I couldn't just throw a class 3 on there. The limpets are for gathering flotsam in RES sites, or that was my idea anyway, to scavenge the remnants of the dogfights.

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Python's ability to put weapons on target based on weapon hardpoint placement compared to the FLD. Might be nice if you used the same types of weapons as with the FDL.


No problem, though I'm not sure when I will take it in to combat. As soon as I need a mat that can be found there I suppose smile

The 6A thrusters helped a lot of course, and I will put G1 Dirty Drives on it tonight.


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#4413463 - 03/29/18 01:12 PM Re: Python [Re: Recluse]  
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Originally Posted by Recluse

Guess it depends on your Home system but the closet LYR systems to me where I usually buy ships and outfitting is Lichtenberg Terminal in ANU, Hawking Port in Maikoro or Papin City in 7 Andromedae
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Thanks for the tips. Ice mentioned Founder's World, but within 150 LY of Sol, what is the absolute best shipyard and outfitting station? Is there one?


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#4413503 - 03/29/18 03:52 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
I'm not a master post-quoter like Ice is,

Haha! Funny how that can annoy a lot of people in... ahem... other sub-forums smile


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Thanks, that's really good to know. I've not used a mining laser and didn't realize I couldn't just throw a class 3 on there. The limpets are for gathering flotsam in RES sites, or that was my idea anyway, to scavenge the remnants of the dogfights.

Same thing. smile More limpets out = faster collection, that's all. Some people even advocate 3 mining lasers and that just means you'll drain the rock/asteroid quicker, but I don't see the point if the limpets cannot keep up. I had 6 collector limpets out when I was mining in my Cutter and even with just 2 mining lasers, the limpets couldn't keep up.


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No problem, though I'm not sure when I will take it in to combat. As soon as I need a mat that can be found there I suppose smile

Your Grade 3 FSD mod requires those.


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The 6A thrusters helped a lot of course, and I will put G1 Dirty Drives on it tonight.

Ugh!! That just sounds.... dirty biggrin


Originally Posted by DBond
Thanks for the tips. Ice mentioned Founder's World, but within 150 LY of Sol, what is the absolute best shipyard and outfitting station? Is there one?

Jameson Memorial in Shinrarta Dezhra. Outside of that, well, it's anybody's guess, I think. My old base has 15 of the 33 ships, so not bad, but even then, it doesn't have all weapons/modules. You'll want to find large population High Tech systems to start with.


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#4413516 - 03/29/18 04:33 PM Re: Python [Re: - Ice]  
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Jameson Memorial always seems to have the best choice I’ve seen. Cons are that you need a permit to dock there and no discounts. Since I’m lazy, er efficient, I’d rather pay more than fly around trying to save some credits. Of course, once I start buying the BIG boys, I might change my tune. Also, JM has ALL the modules, I believe.

#4413531 - 03/29/18 05:16 PM Re: Python [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Originally Posted by alexb
Anaconda is also the best explorer money can buy.

Got a fit for this? I agree it's crazy for module slots, but what about jump range?
It better be good for the price!!


The Anaconda is a ship that does well at exploring with nearly any fit. I've had mine with SRV, SLF, Class 7 fuel scoop, and all the scanners, decently light weight on the core modules, and it does fine. Even room for a Passenger Cabin or two, for those long range explorer missions that pay quite nicely. With an FSD boost from a neutron star, I think I was making jumps of around 225LY, IIRC.

The Keeback is my preferred explorer, however. All the toys I want, with far more enjoyable handling.


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#4413534 - 03/29/18 05:40 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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See? And we don't even have a Keelback thread! Who knew it was a good explorer (aside from Adlabs that is)?

Don't make me start one.


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#4413545 - 03/29/18 06:32 PM Re: Python [Re: adlabs6]  
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Originally Posted by Bohemond
and no discounts.

I thought JM had discounts? 10% or 15%?

Originally Posted by adlabs6
The Anaconda is a ship that does well at exploring with nearly any fit.

It's okay for exploring but obviously there are better ships out there. The biggest advantage of the Annie is the 11 Optional slots it has. Versatility.

Originally Posted by adlabs6
The Keeback is my preferred explorer, however. All the toys I want, with far more enjoyable handling.

Hmmm... have you considered the DBE? Cheaper to start with and a 5A FSD.


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#4413547 - 03/29/18 06:39 PM Re: Python [Re: - Ice]  
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No discounts that I’m aware of. Although, never really looked it up.

#4413554 - 03/29/18 06:59 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Founder's World/Jameson is 10%, plus maybe the 2.5% global Elite discount?


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#4413558 - 03/29/18 07:12 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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#4413561 - 03/29/18 07:29 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Hmm... never knew about the %10 discount. Nice.
Recluse, I believe I got my permit for Shinrarta Dehzra for being in Beta. Same as my Sol permit.

#4413563 - 03/29/18 07:37 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Yes, you need a permit, which you get for reaching any Elite rank. I think kickstarters also get one.

As we were talking about in another thread there also appears to be a 2.5% discount applied globally once you've reached Elite in any discipline, as per the Pilot's Federation Wiki.

I do not know if it can be combined with any other offer. Like if you go to Jameson, is it actually 12.5%?

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#4413708 - 03/30/18 01:54 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Forget the following that I said earlier:

1. Will keep it in the garage to work on in bits and bobs
2. Not taking it in to RES sites right away

It's A-rated and G1 engineered. Dirty Drives give it some pep and make it handle oh so much better. It hits hard. I have two large turreted pulse lasers, a large MC and two medium MCs. Seemed to make much quicker work of small ships than the FDL did. I don't know much about weapons in Elite, but one large and two medium multi-cannons must be much stronger than 4 mediums. Probably something to do with penetration of the large MC?

So offensively it is awesome. But at one point I got in to a bit of a bind, and without the speed and maneuverability of my other combat ships I got my shield shot away. "taking damage' was the first I knew of it, it happened so quickly. Hull down to 77% before I made my escape. I only had enough to afford one re-buy so I got out of there. My shields are at 557mj, and I engineered the two boosters, one for augmented and one for thermal. But since I'm now a bigger, less maneuverable target, I need to work on improving this. Shame the Python only has 4 utilities.


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#4413710 - 03/30/18 01:58 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Shield Cell Banks and Heatsinks smile
I've always used the normal shields, never liked the idea of bi-weave that's weaker but recharges quicker. I like the quick recharge, yes, but not the weaker shield. Maybe try the Prismatic shield?


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#4413712 - 03/30/18 02:02 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Yes, maybe the prismatic. Lord knows I have the power for it now! Bugger's precious though.


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#4413719 - 03/30/18 02:27 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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#4413774 - 03/30/18 05:16 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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A Cautionary Tale about being Pennywise and Pound Foolish:

Last night I took my Tissue Paper Python around for High Paying Transport Missions.

Went to Liu Baja and straight away found a short haul mission for 180 tons of Gold paying 6.7 million and stacked another mission paying about 1.4 million for hauling Silver.

Things were looking good!!

Went back and couldn't find any other similarly priced missions, but found a 3 million credit haul...and stacked another 1 million onto it...

Life was good.

Longish story shorter:

1) The RNG seemed to be rolling against me as I was not finding the missions any more. Decided to take some SCAN missions and some other ~million credit hauls and check the other stations....
2) Got interdicted going between stations and STUPIDLY tried to LOW WAKE my way out. While I left the Anaconda in the dust, his fighter kept hitting me and Goodbye Ship....
3) I respawned in a Detention Center, because, failing some missions is apparently a CRIME and had to pay not only my REBUY, but a fine equal to the 1.4 million credit mission reward for losing the cargo. Of course I also lost Failed my not yet done SCAN missions and lost all the bounties I had accumulated while I waited to get to the Interstellar Factor. ALSO FAILING the missions dropped my REP with my HOME System faction down from ALLIED to FRIENDLY making more missions harder to come by
4) Desperately flew around seeking high paying missions to make up my deficit.... Found some good ones, luckily until....
5) Another interdiction... This time, I set the NAV for a HIgh wake and Submitted.....BUT... the GAME didn't recognize the submission and kept me squirreling around until dropping out and getting blown to bits while waiting out the FSD cooldown.. Lost about 4 million worth of missions, Rebuy + million credit fines AGAIN...
6) By the end of the night, disgusted and frustrated, and 2 hours past my desired bedtime I was back up to where I was before the FIRST Interdiction. (but still up about 12-15 million on the night)

If only I had spent the money on hardening the Python's shields and Armor. It would have paid for itself in successful missions!!!

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#4413778 - 03/30/18 05:25 PM Re: Python [Re: DBond]  
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Wow!!

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pay not only my REBUY, but a fine equal to the 1.4 million credit mission reward for losing the cargo


Oh my. I had no idea.


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