Hi Polish , thanks for adding that...... Page 5 is there I guess to add the Wiring Later or yourself I guess ? ( took me a minute to realize why there is only 4 words there )

Normally I find if I don't have a great Pic to add to the PDF it is best not to enlarge it too much as it will pixelate badly and make it tough to read ie pg 3 vs pg 4 wiring , so it's better to leave it smaller and then enlarge/zoom the PDF afterwards , might work for Page 4 , make the wiring slightly smaller and rotate the Pro Micro to the same orientation for easier reading.

You could add your Wiring the Pics from the PDF to your Post above too perhaps , the Last page of the PDF is pretty Dark and I can't quite tell what you did there with that "TAB" , looks like you Soldered direct to the Pro Micro ?

KB

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Hey Gang,
after two months I'm back. Got the wires all connected (used the pins as suggested). I got the joystick hooked up (not closed up as I want to make sure it works). Windows recognizes it. MMJOY sees it.
Screen cap is below. I think I just put in the very basic stuff. Axis, pin number, etc, but I can't get any movement out of the pots. I move the joystick, but windows calibration does not move the little x at all.

I'm sure after being gone two months I'm forgetting to set something up. I'll re read the thread and the MM JOY manual to see what I missed.

Hi , Welcome Back..

you don't say what Arduino you are using ??? but I am not aware of Pins Called A2 and A3 in MMjoy ? Have you used the Arduino Pins Names by accident ?

ie if it was a ProMicro A2 is called F5 in MMjoy2 and A3 is called F4,

Make sure to run the calibration helper ( don't see any saved setting ..see pics ) and use the VKB Joytester before the Windows one , the Windows one want's a few buttons setup too.

see the Pics I added below ....

Hey KB,
Thanks for the help. If you look at the board, I was using the actual numbers on the board, which are a2 and a3 for the pins and not the F4 and F5 numbers (same pins different names). Once I put F4 and F5, bingo. I got a dancing x. The calibrate helper didn't seem to work (might not know how to use it), but the VKB Joystick tester worked fine. At least I know that the soldering was correct...

Next problem is the buttons. I looked at the photos you gave me back a page or so and tried to set it up the same. Can't seem to get the buttons to work.
Below is a picture of the setup.

for SR-CS I put F7 pin, where the Red wire goes. In one of your earlier diagrams you showed this as "FLCS Red: SR out".
for SR-DATA your picture had E6. Not sure what that is but I put it in. All buttons are red....I thinking that's a problem....

If I can get the buttons fixed, then it's just anchoring the board and splicing in the USB cable.

I got lots to read up on with the TQS. Lot's of posts with Polish and stuff...that will be the next fun set of steps.

Thx again!

EDIT: The board i'm using is the Robodyn Micro.

BUMP....

Still haven't been able to figure out why I can't get the buttons to work...any ideas?

I'm thinking it's the SR-CS or SR-DATA.....

On another note, any suggestions on mounting the Micro board? How have you guys done it? I tried to get some perfboard but what i ordred has all the solder pads and I'm not really comforatble trying to mount the board to that. I'll be looking to get some copperless perfboard, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to screw the Micro into the perfboard....

thx

Hi,

Yes , you have to use the MMjoy2 Pin Names for everything it does not understand the Arduino Pin Names...


I did this a year ago now so you'll have to explain better and tell me which PDF or Pic you are referring too? there is about 20 pages and not all are relevant to an FLCS with no added Buttons or knobs......... or post the "PDF" you are referring to back to the Thread to refresh my memory.


My FLCS has 38 Buttons as I also made my own SR Board with 2 x 74HC165 SR Chips , so you may have wired the Handle from My SR Board instructions by mistake? I did not really make my notes to post online , I was just making notes as I worked so I wouldn't lose track over the weeks I worked on it so they may not be all that Clear to everyone.


I am using F7 and E6 for the Handle though, from your comment SR-DATA your picture had E6. Not sure what that is but I put it in I am guessing this is your problem , it is not just a Setting in MMjoy2 but a wire from the Handle , The Yellow (Miso) if I have your explanation correct? see images and notes below


Looking at the Image you have not setup any of the HW Buttons on the Right yet , but maybe that is because you can't yet, with the Wiring issue? you need to do that so Windows will see the Buttons as button too even though the VKB tester will see them anyway.

KB

Hey KB,
The diagram that you and I worked on late last year/early this year (Dec/Jan) is the one that I'm referring to. It's attached.
I have things setup exactly as in the diagram. All the pins are populated on the Right side per the numbering in the diagram.
Ground and Power are spliced together with their respective pot connections. I did daisy chain the pots though so Power goes from pot to pot to Micro board pin, same with ground.


My understanding was that once the joystick is recognized by MMJOY2, no buttons will be lit until they are pressed and that let's you make sure they are assigned correctly. I've read the wiki on git hub. Is there a better tutorial someplace?
I'm figuring since ALL the buttons are lit up red without me pressing them, then something is wrong.
I'm hoping its just configuration/setup and that we can identify it before I tear everything apart.

Also, I've put in F7 for the SR-CS and then put B3(Where I have the yellow MISO wire) in for SR-Data, but that had no effect. I'm not sure if I need the SR data populated or not.

Again, I'm hoping that I'm just doing something very wrong with the configuration or use of MMJOY2. However, the Joystick works fine so I know the pots are hooked up correctly.

If the physical pin hookup is correct and my configuration in MMJOY2 is correct then I need to start tearing things apart. I'm thinking there is a reason that all the buttons are lit like that. I'm tempted to either:
1. Use another Micro board that I have (I got three of them) or
2. Use another FLCS (I also have 3 or 4 of them)....

First, if we can't figure this out, I might tear apart all my soldering and start over with just jumper cables (at least for the handle connections) and see if I can get anything to work...

thx.

SR-CS (Red Wire) and SR Data (Yellow Wire) can both go to any Digital Pin ( labelled BM) on the Arduino BUT if you have TLE5010 boards too , you can not use the SPI header for the handle connections too as the TLE5010 will override the Handle output , which is why I use F7 and E6 not B3,B2 for the Data in and Out (MISO AND MOSI). SCK is ok to use as a common wire though (B1)

I assume the Handle is grounded too ? ..........Green Wire (along with the 2 Pot Wire GNDs)

I use ISCP header (pin2) to power the FLCS handle but use VIN to power my TQS Handle , which is 5v in that case, since VIN is the same voltage as whatever the Input voltage is ...ie 5v from USB , but either should work.

I am thinking you have a Ground issue or MISO (SR-Data-yellow) AND MOSI (Red CS-SR ) are reversed ?

The labelling in the Pic above at top right in Black is not mine , but I don't remember who's image it was I added all the other info too ? was it yours? the Original post may have more clues...

I am assuming that the Wire colours are the same for everyone? but I think the TQS may of had two versions as there was different Eraser Nubs/Mice.

as you can see from my original wiring diagram I was using B3 until I found the TLE5010 Issue and Erichos told me to move it to any other pin.

KB.

Thanks KB,
I have some questions, but I'm tired and it's been a long day. I'm going to sleep on it and try moving some stuff in the morning. I'll get back with you tomorrow.

Slarti

So I've continued to monkey with things, but to no real avail. I keep coming back to Solder Monkey's posts very early in this thread Solder Monkey FLCS conv about how easy and simple this setup was....I don't know what I'm missing...

I think at this point I'm going to do two things....
1. I'm going to take apart all the connections and make sure the solders are good. I know that the pots and the ground and power are working since the joystick itself is registering both in MMJOY2 and in Windows, so I know those are good.

2. I think I'm going to take one of the other Micro boards I have and see if that works. At least then I've isolated to the board or the stick. If it doesn't work with the new board, then I know (as much as possible) there's something going on with the stick.

KB/Solol, are there any better reference guides for the MMJOY2 and how to use it other than the wiki? I've read that. It's very short and not of much help. Is my only hope to read through the other mega thread?

Thx guys.

Slarti

Update 1: I took the stick apart, pulled the SR board and tested the connections for continuity from the board all the way to the end of my solder connections. There is continuity, so I know it's not a hardware connection issue. I also tested each pin on the board to the female connection that I soldered onto the 5 wires. Again. All is well.

I think my next step is going to be to try to load up the MMJOY2 firmware a second time on my current board. If there are no differences, then I'll try a second board.

UPdate 2: So I reloaded the firmware on the original Micro board. I zeroed everthing out, and hooked up the board per the original config referenced above in this post FLCS Setup

so now the joystick x and y axis's are all working. The button matrix is filled out and no longer red, but I can't get any of the buttons to respond when I push them. I think I'm going to post up in the larger thread and in the meantime, read through this thread again. Maybe there's something basic I'm missing.

You need to figure this out ... I have Robotdyn Pro Micros for a second FLCS and TQS too

I am not aware of any MMJoy2 Tutorial, just the main thread but I ran into a number of issues and the guys there were a big help, I started posting about page 109 , so you will see 1st my wiring issues and later my MMjoy Setup issues but ask here too as I may know, but unfortunately I am not an electronics expert , Erichos and a couple of the other guys on the main thread were a big help to me on that.

Are you using the Pins for SCK , MISO etc or the ICSP Header on the back ? perhaps try switching that around as I found on my Leonardo Clones the digital Pins for SDA and SDL were not connected as they should of been and I had to use the alternate pins when Modding my DMM (digital multi-meter) , you could also tone them and see if there is continuity between the Digital pins and ICSP Header.

KB

Oh Ok you posted again while I was typing the last post.... and you now have it working? my next suggestion was going to be reflashing the Firmware but it looks like you did that...

KB

I can see in the Pic , 0 Buttons are seen .....so when you push any button you don't get anything in MMJoy ? have you loaded/saved sets to the Stick? (device)

You need to assign the HW buttons for Windows to see the Stick too but MMJoy or VKB should see it anyway...

See bold...

KB,
Yea, nothing when I push any of the buttons....
what i did was load what I'm calling the base config file (with just the Joystick Axis defined), then i'm putting in the button config info, then saving it to the stick. Part of the problem I'm sure is that I don't really know how to use the MMJOY2 program. For example, when I'm changing things in the main scree (i.e. setting up the shift registers) does that automatically have an effect on the stick or do I have to "load to device" before a button press would be seen?

On windows seeing the stick, that's strange because it sees the stick even if I don't have buttons assigned, i.e. I can open the windows joystick dialog and the stick is there and I can move it around....

I checked, they all tone out correctly on the RobotDyn Micro board just as in your attachment.

My Robotdyn Pro Micros came Soldered all ready ....

So no red numbered squares in MMJoy at all ?

have you loaded/saved sets to the Stick? (device)?.................. every time you change something you have to send it to Stick to program the Firmware to use it , but IIRC that isn't need for the button presses to show in MMJoy , just Windows/Games.

Windows will See the Stick if the Axis are programmed , the old advice was to assign one button so the Windows G.C. Applet will see the Stick ,but I found it needed the Axis's assigned and saved to the Stick too. Once you have buttons showing RED in MMjoy you can then assign those buttons in the HW Button Section and that is how the Windows G.C. Applet will see them but MMJoy or VKB should see it anyway...