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#4406956 - 02/23/18 02:49 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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In all my years of messing with pc's, it's highly unlikely the gfx card would just straight die, normally it would misbehave plenty of times before dying outright. Do your case fans/cpu fan start up when you attempt to turn on PC?

As above, pull the little coin battery off the motherboard, I personally leave it for 10 minutes, 10 seconds may be fine, but best being safe than sorry. If it's a PSU problem, this may sound stupid, but a little trick I have found that sometimes resets the PSU is to unplug the 3 pin kettle lead, make sure the power switch on your PSU is in the on position, and slowly push the lead back into the PSU while the lead is turned on at the wall, you should hear a crackling noise if you do it slowly enough. This always used to resurrect some old PSU's I have had lock up in the past after some serious overclocking testing.

What make is your PSU? Just because its only six months old, unless it's from a reputable brand, most PSU's suck and are made poorly. Its the one thing a lot of people tend to skimp on when building a PC, but it's arguably the most important part on your entire computer set up.

What make is your motherboard? Does it have a little digital display on it showing a 2 digit code? If so post it here and it will tell us what the problem may be.

Good luck mate!

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#4406957 - 02/23/18 02:58 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Thanks gentlemen. Tried the battery trick and nothing. Didn’t test the battery (just saw that now) but would that make the computer “die” mid-session?

My PSU is a Corsair CS650M. The reason it’s new (less then 6 months) is that I was having an issue with my “On” switch and, figuring my PSU was old, replaced it. Turned out it really was the simple On switch.

#4406958 - 02/23/18 03:01 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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As I said earlier, not likely the battery would cause it to shut down like you report (though not impossible, just very unlikely IMHO).

I said power supply above based just on symptoms, and to be accurate it could be two days old and still fail *lol* biggrin biggrin biggrin (But to me, still not the 'first suspect' I'm afraid)

#4406959 - 02/23/18 03:02 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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FYI, for those reading: It's a Dell. No motherboard lights/codes etc.

#4406961 - 02/23/18 03:05 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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No, if the battery was going, it would boot to your bios screen repeatedly over the space of months, before it actually died. Does the fan on your cpu cooler spin up when you turn the power on?

A very simple trick to test a PSU in the future, to test whether your power button is broken or your PSU is as you stated above, is to swap the reset button headers on your case with the power button one. Then try turning on your PC with the reset button instead!


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#4406962 - 02/23/18 03:06 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Desperate now. Lemme start pulling RAM sticks. And the PSU trick.
Yes all fans work. Sounds like a normal start-up for a couple seconds then it shuts off.

#4406963 - 02/23/18 03:13 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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The battery can cause no symptoms at all for months, then suddenly cause the exact thing he's describing.

The reason is the battery isn't actually used as long as the machine is plugged in and the PSU is turned on (if there's a switch on PSU). It doesn't have to be powered on; the motherboard gets Vsb from the PSU even when it's off (hence Vsb, for "standby"). If the PC stays plugged in, then one day the lights go out for a second or three one day, boom, you lose CMOS settings and therefore machine won't boot properly. Battery's been dead for months, but wasn't an issue because AC power was on (and therefore Vsb was present). Seen it happen, more than once. Happened to my Dad, in fact (in his case, he found out when he actually unplugged the PC to move it, but assumed plugging it back in means "nothing changed").

Also seen a dying battery cause the CMOS to become corrupt, and cause intermittent boot problems.

I already said I don't think it's the battery, that it isn't likely to cause it to shut off abruptly but never say never. It doesn't hurt to check it.

Also, once you pull header connector for the power button (if you 're comfortable enough to even be at that point) it's easier to just bump the two pins together with a screwdriver than worry about swapping header wires. Often the headers are single molded connectors and can't be swapped without pulling pins (leading to breaking pins).

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#4406969 - 02/23/18 03:31 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Pulled 3 RAM sticks, tried with just 1, replaced with another, tried again.
Did the “slow connect” with the PSU, heard crackle but nothing.
I’m guessing the stupid MB but let me scroll back here and see if I missed anything and re-read the PSU thing again.

#4406973 - 02/23/18 03:40 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I would say your MoBo went west sigh .

#4406975 - 02/23/18 03:49 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Yes. That is my thought currently. Everyone mentions PSU though.
Dug out my stock PSU that I had to replace to power up the GTX 970.
Since I have the original 750Ti in there lemme see how much of a PITA it is to give the stock PSU a try.
Need hands like a 10 year old girl to work inside this case.

#4406979 - 02/23/18 03:56 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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<---Just suddenly realized he may actually have hands like a 10-year old girl biggrin biggrin biggrin

#4406983 - 02/23/18 04:06 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Thanks! smile
Well here we go with hooking up the stock PSU.

#4406985 - 02/23/18 04:07 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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<drum roll>

Survey says...

#4406989 - 02/23/18 04:24 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Survey says....Motherboard!
Unless the CPU died mid-stream!!! And on a rainy weekend too. No pre-dawn WOFF. Would swear up a s*** storm but this is a family forum.

Stock PSU gave me the same result. Quick two second boot then off.
Off to try and get a Dell MB ordered and shipped. Refurbished too darnit. If I was single I’d just buy a new computer.
Thanks to all, especially kksnowbear, for all the help and suggestions.
Wish it would have been something simple!

#4406992 - 02/23/18 04:31 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Sorry to hear it Duke...but hopefully you can get it back online soon enough smile Keep us updated!

#4406998 - 02/23/18 04:54 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Order placed.
Dell says “refurbished” means taken out of a unsold machine, not used, so I feel slightly better.
However it could take almost 2 weeks to get here. 2 weeks of no WOFF. Getting the shakes already.
Guess I’ll have to find some other activity to keep me out of trouble.
And what if this isn’t ultimately the issue? Can’t imagine what else it could be though at this point.

EDIT: Oh the dirty dogs. Email just received saying March 14 for delivery. 3 weeks.
Can’t imagine it’ll take that long though. Guess it’ll be a surprise.

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#4407001 - 02/23/18 05:09 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Too bad about the wait, but hopefully that'll be it.

Friendly advice, FWIW (and please take this as intended, really just trying to be helpful): I'd get away from the Dells (or HPs, Compaqs, or etc...) Don't get me wrong they can be great machines, in the right environment. But for gaming PCs, I'd go with 'clone' hardware, DIY (preferred) or a local shop(mind which components they use), or even online system builder (watch prices though) before I'd go with the Dell, Compaq, HP...they just tend to use proprietary stuff that's a pain to deal with/replace. For example, if you had a 'clone' machine, and your motherboard goes bad, you can generally get replacements even as quick as overnight - or if you're near a computer store, even faster smile

If this isn't the issue (which it does seem pretty narrowed down TBH), and *if* you get ready to change out your machine, let me know. Might be able to take the 'sting' out of the cost of replacement.

But again, hopefully it's 3 days, and you're "wheels up" again smile (Can you say wheels up for these birds?? lol)

#4407004 - 02/23/18 05:23 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Oh I fully get your thinking sir.
Just always had luck with them for 20+ years. Only my 2nd issue (the other MB replacement) so...we will see for the next purchase. Hopefully not too soon though.

If I had a parts list I could build one easy. Now that I say that there must be a website.

#4407006 - 02/23/18 05:32 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Yup, dealt with them professionally in my "day job" for over 20 years myself...great workstations, and even casual personal use (browsing, email, homework, word processing etc.) and very well suited to the typical 'home' purchaser: Pre-configured setups, off-the-shelf (and some options, too), fairly easy to buy, definitely solid reputation, decent support. No doubt a god choice in many instances.

But then, we're not really whatcha call typical...are we? beercheers j/k - I am just the type that, once I learned how back in about 1990, I prefer to do it myself.

Anyway, what matters ultimately is that you're pleased with your choice, and it seems you are - so good on ya!

#4407030 - 02/23/18 07:07 PM Re: OT: Computer trouble... [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I feel sorry for your trouble, DIH. Let's hope your CPU did not suffer any colateral damage.

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