#4405173 - 02/14/18 06:13 PM
LMAO RAZ
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Again RAZBAM did it. Earlier (again, like before) they adjusted M-2000C flight model, I don't even know how many times they have done that.. Everytime it's correct, yet they keep changing it. All players were like yea, now it's good and realistic and the ones who complained got crap thrown at them and they obviously were wrong as always.. I really thought RAZBAM could get their crap together, but after all this time the hope truly is lost, they clearly have no idea what they're doing. If you have it try the wonder and see how it flys, and then compare it to any of the other planes, which aren't perfect of course but at least you get some sense of flying instead driving a train on rails. Let see.. they managed to ruin skins, spec maps, radar, autopilot, cockpit textures, cockpit trackIR and the list goes on.... I wonder when they attack Harrier.. probably when they start selling their next module, the moment which we probably see in near future. This is the company which even changed how your joystick works in game. 'nuff said.
Oh almost forgot, again trying to change the controls leads to BSOD as before, and it was fixed before... and you know the rest.....
Last edited by IceecI; 02/14/18 06:19 PM.
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#4405195 - 02/14/18 08:22 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Are you saying ED's flight modelling isn't accurate? Surely you jest!! He is talking about Razbam. No mention of ED in his entire post.
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#4405205 - 02/14/18 10:05 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Maybe you have ruined your install. I just checked my Mirage. Yes my track ir works fine, skins seems fine, cockpit textures are fine, radar detect targets and can guide missile to target, autopilot works fine. I don't know what maps you meant but at least kneeboard maps works.
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#4405239 - 02/15/18 01:14 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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He is talking about Razbam. No mention of ED in his entire post. Well, don't they plug their values into DCS World? Or did they have the wrong values to start with? It doesn't work that way. FMs are built by the team building the aircraft using their own data. DCS provides the air, the aircraft builder defines how the aircraft flies in that air.
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#4405250 - 02/15/18 02:46 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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This represents the biggest flaw in DCS 3rd parties. Most of them do this as a part time endeavor with small teams and only rudimentary knowledge of what they are trying to model. Creating an FM becomes complicated when you move outside of the box (normal flight).
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#4405258 - 02/15/18 04:25 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Least there was lots of fixes in new patch (hotfix3 to 2.5) for mirage 2000 And to be fair, flight models in old sim’s often have zero spin modeling (janes F-15, janes f-18, falcon 4 ) , i find dcs flight models very enjoyable even with those bugs here and there. (Well , not with hawk ..but thats worst plane mod evere in anysim.. really fubar ..
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#4405311 - 02/15/18 06:31 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Does ED not have to check and test for things like these? So what if the FM is built by 3rd party, don't they quality-test for stuff like this anyway?
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#4405420 - 02/16/18 09:14 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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I agree, too bad they still have clear conscience to sell their stuff when knowing their own limits - they must have known that there's gonna be lots and lots of difficulties creating the stuff. And what makes it worse they don't even care to even try to fix the bugs, instead start selling another module and concentrate on that. Maybe the priority isn't afterall the love towards creating good modules and enjoying that, but something el$e. 3rd parties should start small.....Cessna 152, or perhaps a sailplane.....then move up to twin engine, get that right with minimal instrumentation and progress to Jet aircraft or Helo's.....start small, gather knowledge.....Learn from VEAO.....they started with the Hawk, still a complete fail yet before it was finished Chris and his sidekick bragged about how good their Typhoon would be.,....now they are selling their crap to Dovetail's flight sim world (minus the 152 and sailplane.....so another fail from not learning from the mistakes they made under the DCS\TFC\Belsimtek banner) 3rd parties with a pipe dream come into the equation with absolutely no knowledge other than a cut and paste cockpit that looked half ok (to the developer) in FC2 and then hype them selves up to be able to release something that is always going to more wasted bandwidth to their consumers, then back themselves when 98% of the consumers seek a refund. Then they turn on ED and say that it is all their fault their pipe dream module is a POS
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#4405422 - 02/16/18 09:35 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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There doesn't seem to be ANY quality control from ED, some of the 3rd party FMs are appalling. I'm sticking with ED & BST modules only in the future. I agree, where was the quality control when CTD's Hornet gained 3rd party status, Kinney Interactive's doomed to fail F-35 which mind you was based on a 'gofundme' (kickstarter) page to kick it all off. Many have gained 3rd party status, many more have failed yet still have a 3rd part license. What about the hype behind old mate WW2, He comes in, get's a 3rd party license then walks away from it all leaving ED to pay out on the kickstarter rewards......why do we have DCS WW2? because old mate gained a 3rd party license to develop WW2 aircraft, pulled the pin and ED\TFC had to warrant the kickstarter goals or face backlash and law suits. If not for ED\TFC making piss poor judgements, there would be no DCS WW2 and more of DCS\TFC\BelSimtek developers working on modern day releases as it should have been before the lotto draw was held on 'which 3rd party developer should we take on board next'
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#4405425 - 02/16/18 11:07 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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IceecI
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Interesting. I almost agree, but one thing.. thing is that "3rd parties should start small.....Cessna 152, or perhaps a sailplane....." sailplanes have moving parts..
Oh forgive me, I didn't realise RAZBAM is already that far, that they have MiG-19s cockpit modeled, no wonder they didn't have time to fix mirages 20+ bugs.
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#4405428 - 02/16/18 11:49 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Oh forgive me, I didn't realise RAZBAM is already that far, that they have MiG-19s cockpit modeled, no wonder they didn't have time to fix mirages 20+ bugs. A very good point you put forward. Just like DCS\TFC\Belsimtek in general.....release updates yet do not fix anything that is broken prior.....perfect example is a cold start on a moving ship....how long did that take to 'fix' I see updates to the Argo campaign.....funny how the ship is not moving in the 1st mission of the campaign. honestly, that 1st mission spoke volumes for me as to what the whole campaign would be like so I didn't bother with any other mission. "Build a campaign based around DCS\TFC\Belsimtek's flaws to make it work" I can't be bothered testing let alone downloading updates but have ED\TFC\Belsimtek actually fixed the aircraft falling off ships? I read somewhere that the Harrier had that issue even with Razbams release of the wasp class. so there we go, I answered my own question.....2018 and the bug from 2012 (or perhaps earlier) is still an issue yet to be resolved
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#4405442 - 02/16/18 01:07 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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I bought a simulator module, not a testing platform and I certainly never agreed to work for devs for free. Yes you did, when you bought the module and ED rewrote their EULA to ensure that.
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#4405456 - 02/16/18 02:53 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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[quote=Jetronic]
What about the hype behind old mate WW2, He comes in, get's a 3rd party license then walks away from it all leaving ED to pay out on the kickstarter rewards......why do we have DCS WW2? because old mate gained a 3rd party license to develop WW2 aircraft, pulled the pin and ED\TFC had to warrant the kickstarter goals or face backlash and law suits.
Sorry but that's just BS. ED were joint partners with 'old mate'. If it was solely down to RRG ED had no need to "pay out on the kickstarter rewards" The reason "ED\TFC had to warrant the kickstarter goals or face backlash and law suits" was because tjeir name is all over it. They are clearly stated as part of the "Joint venture" part of the "team". If they were not part of the kickstarter they should have stayed out of it if RRG "failed". Let RRG refund the money. I am stunned that some folk still believe the ED/sithSPIN BS line about the fiasco when the truth is clear as day on the kickstarter page. ED forum is full of falsehoods and spin.
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#4405550 - 02/16/18 11:25 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Even on 2.5, this bug is still there? Partially.....ED\TFC\Belsimtek's aircraft don't fall off moving decks, Razbam's Harrier does, and in some reported cases.....falls through the deck.
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#4406917 - 02/23/18 12:36 PM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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Harrier does not slide down from carrier deck Hardly realistic when you crank up the weather to cyclonic\typhoon like conditions and yet you are still correct, the aircraft does not 'roll' off the deck. nor does the ship tilt at an angle that would cause aircraft IRL to slide from the carrier. That needs to be improved....this is after all a simulator. Trying to reproduce real world conditions during a hurricane is a fail and needs to be worked on before this can be passed off as a simulator. Combined arms during hurricane\cyclonic\typhoon like conditions does not re-produce the ammo fired from the abrams to sway of course. Hardly realistic if wind is a factor when it comes to ammo fired from ground vehicles. To put this into perspective, is hurricane\typhoon\cyclonic like winds having any bearing on missiles fired from aircraft under these conditions? I will record my findings with the awesome VEAFAIL hawk and report my findings to answer my question shortly. Before people jump the gun here and ask "who would fly a combat mission in a typhoon(not the aircraft)\cyclone\hurricane" anyone who is looking to gain the upper hand on their enemy......to be battle ready....that would mean being able to attack the enemy in all weather conditions....including typhoons, hurricanes, cyclones, earth quakes etc etc
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#4407081 - 02/24/18 01:54 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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i do wish ED would pay more attention to the weather though......... Just the weather? I wish ED would pay more attention to the roadmap, planning, development, integration, testing, quality control, quality assurance, release and communication.
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#4407087 - 02/24/18 04:38 AM
Re: LMAO RAZ
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What Paradaz is saying is that ED should learn to do things with a proper timeline, under better testing/QC conditions, and meet deadlines. It would not do anyone any good if ED did pay attention to the weather, only to release it 8 years later.
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