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#4404812 - 02/13/18 12:07 AM SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII  
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There comes a time in WOFF pilot’s life when he starts asking questions. Where do I come from? Why does it burn when I pee? Why isn’t my rear gunner shooting? And, how do I tell the difference between the two SPAD models. The most obvious way is to count the number of Vickers being aimed at you. This is only slightly helpful, as you probably will never live long enough to tell. The engine of the XIII is more powerful than the VII’s, but since both models leave you far behind, the method may be less than reliable. So what’s left? External appearance, you say? Ok, let’s try that. XIII has an extra set of struts connecting the fuselage to the top plane. So, that’s one way. What else? XIII has a larger radiator. Good luck telling them apart that way. Might as well count the machine guns. Got anything else? Something big, easily distinguishable? Well yes, the rudder. They are totally different. Take a look at the picture below:

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Totally different ... not! Something went wrong with SPAD VII model.
Ok, never mind. Let’s look at the horizontal stabilizer and elevators: two different animals. Look:

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Umm, I give up. Help!

(You can always turn the labels on.
Lay-bells? What’s that?)

Attached Files Side-13.jpgSide-7.jpgTop-13.jpgTop-7.jpg

"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
#4404824 - 02/13/18 12:54 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Interesting find sir. Never noticed the above items.
Course I am not (until now - trying again) been a big Spad guy due to the cockpit visibility. But this can be a matter of taste when you jump from one plane to another.

On another note I wish OBD would break out the different engines used during the operational lifetime of both aircraft.
Same game model just with slightly different performance stats.

#4404840 - 02/13/18 01:39 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted by DukeIronHand
On another note I wish OBD would break out the different engines used during the operational lifetime of both aircraft.
Same game model just with slightly different performance stats.

Would that matter? You'd still outrace anything else in the sky, while doing your best impression of a brick.


"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
#4404842 - 02/13/18 01:51 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Could not tell a Spad VII from a Spad VIII in a fight if I tried but if it burns when you pee, you might want to get that checked! biggrin
As for myself, I come from the nowhere, I go to the no place. If I am at the Ranch, there is no place anything like this place, anywhere near this place, so......this must be the place!!


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#4404846 - 02/13/18 02:16 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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MFair, looks like you found the right place.


"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
#4404847 - 02/13/18 02:24 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Originally Posted by Fullofit
MFair, looks like you found the right place.


I like your humour Bud, I near about spit coke all over the living room when I read your post!


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#4404848 - 02/13/18 02:58 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Thanks Mark, but what are you doing with a Coke? At this hour I should be making you spill a Bud all over your living room.
Do you think the devs will be able to help with this burning issue?


"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
#4404867 - 02/13/18 06:44 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Great idea, Fullofit thumbsup
Can you make something similar for Nieuports, especially later models? I never know in the heat of battle what is my opposition.

#4404871 - 02/13/18 07:56 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted by DukeIronHand
Interesting find sir.
On another note I wish OBD would break out the different engines used during the operational lifetime of both aircraft.
Same game model just with slightly different performance stats.


It will be Not exact the same model but I do like the idea.
Also the 37mm gun Spad 12 and the two seater versions would be a great choice, minimal effort for ODB to create and max fun for players.

#4404876 - 02/13/18 09:07 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Yes. I meant it can be same model WOFF-wise in the game.

#4404884 - 02/13/18 10:40 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Guess these SPAD visions will in the next Woff UE2 which also does include the Belgium airforce ;-)

#4404892 - 02/13/18 11:15 AM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Sweet!
And the Sopwith Dolphin and...

#4404915 - 02/13/18 01:34 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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All very good point gentlemen and of course the humour is much appreciated. I considered this read my "morning smile" reading smile . Now, if you can pry the devs away from WOTR, you just might have a chance to see your suggestions come to fruition! winkngrin


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#4404933 - 02/13/18 03:12 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Gentlemen, you are missing the point. I think SPAD VII's tail is modelled wrong. Compare the line drawing insert with the actual screen capture image of the model. You can clearly see it's not right. Hence my problem telling the difference between the two models. SPAD VII tail looks too much like the tail of SPAD XIII. New planes would be nice, but let's get right the ones we already have.


"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
#4404943 - 02/13/18 04:28 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Sorry, but I think there's about as much chance of that as MvR showing up for a meet and greet in the cornfield across the road from the brick factory this spring.
Cheers,
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#4404946 - 02/13/18 04:31 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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#4404962 - 02/13/18 05:18 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Shredward]  
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Originally Posted by Shredward
Sorry, but I think there's about as much chance of that as MvR showing up for a meet and greet in the cornfield across the road from the brick factory this spring.
Cheers,
shredward


So you're saying there's a chance! whoohoo

#4404969 - 02/13/18 05:55 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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Originally Posted by Fullofit
Gentlemen, you are missing the point. I think SPAD VII's tail is modelled wrong. Compare the line drawing insert with the actual screen capture image of the model. You can clearly see it's not right. Hence my problem telling the difference between the two models. SPAD VII tail looks too much like the tail of SPAD XIII. New planes would be nice, but let's get right the ones we already have.


Oh I got it just fine but, I suspect, WOFF is on a back burner that is not even lit.

#4404995 - 02/13/18 08:10 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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If you look at the SPAD7 rudder diagrams the tails are actually very similar in fact. The S7 has a slightly flatter top edge and the vertical fin is a tiny bit smaller If you look at the models there, you can see I did actually did make those OK. The back edge of the rudder should be straigher though.

The horizontals are the same on the models and they should be different. Maybe one day I'll fix it. But there's rather a list of stuff to get through before I can do anything anywhere else...

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#4405003 - 02/13/18 09:21 PM Re: SPAD VII vs. SPAD XIII [Re: Fullofit]  
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“One day” - that’s not never. Thanks Pol. Now about that burning sensation when I pee ...


"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
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