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#4403800 - 02/06/1803:34 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Graphic detailing the complex choreography of launch and multiple stage and fairing recoveries:
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#4403804 - 02/06/1803:41 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"There’s a lot that could go wrong,” Musk admitted. “A really tremendous amount. I really like to emphasize that the odds of success are not super high. I don’t want to jinx it—I’m tempted to say. Because I feel super optimistic. But I feel as though that optimism has no basis in fact. I feel like we’ve got a two-thirds chance of success, but in reality we only have a 50-50 chance.”
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#4403808 - 02/06/1803:49 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Now delayed until 3:45 due to high velocity upper atmospheric winds.
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#4403862 - 02/06/1807:03 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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00:01:06 Max Q (moment of peak mechanical stress on the rocket) 00:02:29 Booster engine cutoff (BECO) 00:02:33 Side cores separate from center core 00:02:50 Side cores begin boostback burn 00:03:04 Center core engine shutdown/main engine cutoff (MECO) 00:03:07 Center core and 2nd stage separate 00:03:15 2nd stage engine starts 00:03:24 Center core begins boostback burn 00:03:49 Fairing deployment 00:06:41 Side cores begin entry burn 00:06:47 Center core begins entry burn 00:07:58 Side core landings 00:08:19 Center core landing 00:08:31 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-1) 00:28:22 2nd stage engine restarts 00:28:52 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2) Mission continues on an experimental long coast and third stage two burn to target a precessing Earth-Mars elliptical orbit around the sun
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#4403863 - 02/06/1807:04 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Just got back from trying to see it from the air. We flew two planes over with a few friends to watch it from outside the exclusion zone, but they delayed it. Darn.
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#4403866 - 02/06/1807:41 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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WOW, is this ever exciting. the biggest rocket to launch since a Saturn 5
3:45 Eastern. 2pm was almost an hour ago
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#4403872 - 02/06/1807:59 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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They are moving so quickly with the BFR (Big Falcon Rocket) that they've decided to not, at this time, qualify the Falcon Heavy for launching crew, only cargo. That is amazing!
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Dana Hull, Bloomberg News: Hi, thanks so much for taking the call. Could you clarify for people who maybe haven't been following the Falcon Heavy's development closely how this fits in with plans to send tourists around the moon. From your instagram post today it sounds like the moon plan is maybe now the BFR and not Falcon Heavy?
Elon Musk: Yeah. What we decided internally is to focus our future efforts on BFR. Now we'll see how the BFR development goes. If that ends up taking longer than expected, then we'll return to the idea of sending a Crew Dragon on Falcon Heavy around the Moon. And potentially doing other things with crew on Falcon Heavy. But right now it looks like BFR development is moving quickly and it will not be necessary to qualify Falcon Heavy for crewed spaceflight. We could be ready to do short hops of the spaceship portion of BFR. BFR essentially consists of a giant booster and a giant spaceship. The giant spaceship is... once you're out of Earth's deep gravity well and thick atmosphere, for the rest of the solar system, you only need the ship. The giant booster is only needed for Earth, with its unusually deep gravity well and thick atmosphere. So our focus is on the ship, and we expect to hopefully do short flights on the ship, with the ship next year. You know, aspirational.
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Elon Musk: It's rather odd, I was looking at Falcon Heavy, and thinking...it's a bit small.
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Marcia Smith, SpacePolicyOnline: Thanks so much for taking my call. I was hoping you could expand a little bit on your earlier answer about flying people around the moon and the BFR versus the Falcon Heavy, I'm not so sure I followed all of that. You said that the BFR is a big rocket and a big spaceship, and the big spaceship is just a year or so away from flight, but you'd be flying on something other than the BFR rocket? And with respect to sending people around the moon.
Elon Musk: Yeah. Falcon Heavy is absolutely capable of sending a Crew Dragon, Dragon version 2 that's under development and that we'll fly later this year for NASA. With a single stick Falcon 9, it's easy for us to do Low Earth Orbit missions, or Medium Earth Orbit missions, and then as soon as you add Falcon Heavy on, we can toss Dragon way past the moon. It's actually further than we went with Apollo. Possibly even visit an asteroid or something like that. That was our plan until last year. Then we though, you know, maybe we can make this BFR development go faster than we thought, and if that's true, there won't be much point in qualifying Falcon Heavy for launching Dragon, making it fully man-rated. So we kind of tabled the crewed Dragon on Falcon Heavy in favor of focusing our energies on BFR. Um, BFR consists of two parts. One is the ship and the other is the booster. So there's BRB, the booster. Which is kind of true, because it will Be Right Back. The booster's going to come back and land in probably about ten minutes after liftoff. And then the ship, which is the hardest part, just by far the hardest part of the vehicle, of the BFR system, or interplanetary transport system. Because the ship has to have a heatshield that's capable of re-entering from very high velocities. From velocities way higher than... Basically interplanetary velocities, as opposed to orbital velocities. It's got to control itself through a wide regime, from everything from vacuum, to rarefied gas. Everything from thin atmosphere to thick atmosphere. Hypersonic, supersonic, transonic, subsonic. Different types of atmosphere, from different planets. And then land on unimproved terrain, and be able to take off from unimproved terrain. That's a pretty ridiculous set of requirements for the ship. That's why we're focusing on the ship first, because it's kind of the hard part. And then the BFB (should I say BFB or BRB?) BFB is we think that's pretty straightforward, because it's pretty much like a Falcon boost stage, but with like 31 engines instead of 9.
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#4403873 - 02/06/1808:04 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz
#4403881 - 02/06/1808:20 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz
#4403887 - 02/06/1808:46 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Same here. Breathing shallow too. Never been so on the edge of my seat for anything like this before. WOW. They did it!!!
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#4403892 - 02/06/1808:59 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Still waiting on the status of Falcon Heavy's center core landing...
Looked like it was on target when the camera went out. The only thing that could prevent it from being a good landing would be a failed landing leg deploy / lock or landing a bit too fast.
Regardless this was better than anyone could have hoped for .
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#4403894 - 02/06/1809:03 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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My guess is the main core didnt make it. Still nothing from twitter or any other news on it and its been 15+ minutes. They would know by now what happened and if it made it they would have tweeted it like they did instantly when the side boosters landed.
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#4403899 - 02/06/1809:20 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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The broadcast screwed up the video streaming from the two side boosters, they only showed the video from one booster in two different windows. If you look at the landing video from the booster viewpoint you can clearly see in the final seconds that the "two" boosters are headed for the same landing pad! Even the bits of debris on the camera lens is the same. LOL
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#4403909 - 02/06/1810:05 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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It was two cameras, They landed on different ends of the same pad.
Nope, two seperate pads.
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#4403924 - 02/06/1811:01 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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#4403928 - 02/06/1811:38 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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I really wish I could have seen the launch from the air.
Great achievement. Progress to the stars.
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#4403930 - 02/07/1812:03 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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#4403931 - 02/07/1812:04 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"Speaking to reporters at the Kennedy Space Center, Elon Musk says the Falcon Heavy's center core did not survive its descent to SpaceX's drone ship in the Atlantic Ocean."
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#4403935 - 02/07/1812:28 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"Musk says of the live view of the Tesla and Starman: "I think it looks ridiculous and impossible," he said. "You can tell it's real because it looks so fake. We'd have way better CGI if it was fake.""
LOL!!
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#4403938 - 02/07/1812:37 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz
#4403941 - 02/07/1801:20 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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We went to see the launch. First time for me. Was expecting more. Maybe I've seen too many films about it. And maybe some of those old rockets made more of a blast. My wife got some pictures. I'll try and post them tomorrow.
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#4403956 - 02/07/1804:29 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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#4403961 - 02/07/1805:33 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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This is just so Wow! My generation that lived for the Redstone, Juno, Atlas, Titan and Saturn launches are just hoping to live longer to see the next triumphs in space technology.
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#4403984 - 02/07/1812:48 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Has there been any cries of 'fake' yet? Particularly the duo landings. Marvelous achievement though, I think this mayhap ignite further interest in the technology in our young people,as did Tim Peake's vlogs from the ISS.
I'm waiting for a Little Green Man to squeegee the Tesla windscreen as it passes Mars.
Loved the Douglas Adams homage.
#4403987 - 02/07/1801:18 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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It seems Mr Musk was issued a ticket for the roadster.
It was in a no parking orbit.....
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#4403988 - 02/07/1801:24 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Originally Posted by BD-123
Has there been any cries of 'fake' yet? .
I'm sure there have been plenty of attention-seeking comments to that effect on the internet already. They're right up there with the Holocaust deniers and Creationists.
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#4403989 - 02/07/1801:53 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Fantastic. Elon Musk may very well be the Zefram Cochrane of this "alternate reality" ........to boldly go where no man has gone before.............or in more "proper language" ......to go boldly where no one has gone
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#4404015 - 02/07/1803:22 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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That side by side booster landing shot would have made a great sci-fi novel cover not that long ago.
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#4404017 - 02/07/1803:32 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Having seen the pics of the Heavy, with a car and people next to it... it's kinda easy to forget how tall these rockets are. Which makes it even more impressive to land them upright.
#4404021 - 02/07/1804:03 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Just rewatching the video and made some observations:
Side booster separation was done while the vehicle was moving at 6884 kph / 4277 mph and at an altitude of 61 kilometers / 38 miles.
Core booster on the other hand when it separated from the second stage about 33 seconds later was moving at 9498 kph / 5900 mph and was at an altitude of 90 kilometers / 56 miles.
That just show how much more difficult recovering the core is and maybe why it failed this time.
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#4404031 - 02/07/1805:28 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz
#4404047 - 02/07/1806:49 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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Just rewatching the video and made some observations:
Side booster separation was done while the vehicle was moving at 6884 kph / 4277 mph and at an altitude of 61 kilometers / 38 miles.
Core booster on the other hand when it separated from the second stage about 33 seconds later was moving at 9498 kph / 5900 mph and was at an altitude of 90 kilometers / 56 miles.
That just show how much more difficult recovering the core is and maybe why it failed this time.
I heard it reported that the central core didn't have enough boron left to reignite all three landing engines for the last time. Only one ignited, so the central core ended up hitting the water (close to the drone ship) at something like 300 mph.
Musk indicated that if he had to choose one stick to loose, that one was his preference.
All in all, another impressive performance for SpaceX!
I sure hope they can come up with a suitable heat resistant material for the BFR. That is likely going to be a major obstacle to overcome.
Musk indicated that if he had to choose one stick to loose, that one was his preference.
Yeah, the side boosters were later versions with titanium grid fins which he said were very expensive and very time consuming to make.
Originally Posted by CyBerkut
I sure hope they can come up with a suitable heat resistant material for the BFR. That is likely going to be a major obstacle to overcome.
I suspect they may end up using something replaceable/repairable on at least the early BFR before they come up with a solution that is low maintenance over many reentries.
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#4404064 - 02/07/1808:19 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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The last picture of Starman before the batteries died.
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#4404307 - 02/09/1803:24 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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I'm sure there have been plenty of attention-seeking comments to that effect on the internet already. They're right up there with the Holocaust deniers and Creationists.
Don't forget the Flat Earth brigade!
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#4404388 - 02/09/1804:53 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz
#4404392 - 02/09/1805:12 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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I spent the last few days watching a guy on YT (Cold Hard Logic) de-bunk these idiots plus other bat-#%&*$# crazy ideas (Chemtrails,Sky Demons,Space reflectors). It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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#4404394 - 02/09/1805:21 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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I spent the last few days watching a guy on YT (Cold Hard Logic) de-bunk these idiots plus other bat-#%&*$# crazy ideas (Chemtrails,Sky Demons,Space reflectors). It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
CHL is excellent. If you ever have a friend or relative start using homeopathic medicine tie them to a chair and force them to watch his videos on it, they will soon give up that rubbish.
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#4405103 - 02/14/1811:39 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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#4405260 - 02/15/1805:21 AMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz
#4405275 - 02/15/1801:18 PMRe: Maiden Launch of Falcon Heavy 02/06/18
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