https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/

I would feel slightly ripped off if I'd just paid $79.99 and now it's reduced and on sale before it is even released...

That makes no sense. How would that happen since this is the first chance to buy it? You would have to wait until release to pay $79.99.

Looking good!
Can't wait to try it out 3 years from now!

Wasn't it already on sale already for $79.99?

Shows how much attention I've been paying to DCS lately...

No. Today is the first time that it has ever been for sale.



Not paying attention to something generally causes you to miss events, not imagine that they have occurred.

With that title, I thought you were going to gift me the Hornet.


Yes, but A-A engagement effectiveness is already reduced due to limited A-A radar modes and missile availability. Also, no A-G mode at all.


None of which will be available on early access. Well, maybe the A-A radar, and even then, not all of it.


Dumb bombs only on early access.


LOL, wut?


I guess this takes rivet-counting to a whole new level!


Yessss!!! Enjoy accurate "deedle-deedle" implementation as you wait for your A-G radar, AIM-120B/C, and guided munitions!


Coming whenever we can be bothered to take the Hornet out of EA.


I'm looking forward to this one. Let's see if they can make them sound more like fighter jets and less like airlines.


No sim is complete without over-wing vapors!!! Oh, you wanted A-G radar? Sorry, we ran out of time implementing that coz we were too busy with "deedle-deedle" and LEX vapors!


Is this still really a "feature" in 2018???




I'm glad they put this up on the spiel..... and I notice they've not put a timeframe on this. I guess Matt no longer gives estimates, but what's stopping him from giving promises on this one?



This is something I'm actually torn about.... do I buy now and experience the fiasco for myself as it happens? Or do I continue to let others be the guinea pigs and wait 2-3 years after EA and buy this module on a 50%-off sale? By that time, most of the bugs will be ironed out (hopefully) and A-G, Link-16, guided munitions, and other goodies will be implemented (hopefully), and there may even be a campaign or two to play with.... we will see.

Luckily, it seems that I'll have a few projects on my hands this year so I may not even notice the year going by....

BTW, is this going to have the BS keyless system like in the Harrier? Seems like no mention of it on the newsletter....

I am guessing that the new system is intended to be applied to all future modules. Hopefully, they will have settled on an offline solution in the months before the release.

Of course, by specifying Spring, 2018, they did not specify the hemisphere. The end of spring in the southern half of the planet won't occur until December.

I'm sure it's a fine simulation, now or eventually but my brain doesn't even register marketing wank as human communication.

marketing wank ...... pmsl

Yessss.... yeeeessssss.... come to the dark side.....

They should probably clarify this in their description somewhere, as not everyone may be aware of the stunt they pulled with the Harrier and the DRM.

Hello Everyone,

I am waiting.

Reason:



Once those features are confirmed, implemented and, working correctly, that is the Hornet I will gladly pay for. Could be weeks, months, years.

Also, no mention of what DRM the F/A-18C will have.

I have been waiting since Jane's F-18 (1999), I can wait longer while enjoying a full featured A-10C

Happy Simming,
Monnie

Remember guys... the newsletter said this:


That is very clearly an estimate, not a PROMISE!

Same as my waiting.

Following the early access release, we plan to include many more sensors, weapons, and decoys for the final product. Please note that this list is also subject to change:

Big no from me.

Still no clarity as to whether the dcs ww2 product we paid for is being progressed. No sign it is.

Ask a polite question about it in their forums and you get banned or abused by trolls.

Sorry. But past history here does not deserve support.

they show some carrier Ops in the vid, but I saw nowehere that they talk about it for EA

If they know how to do anything, it's awesome teaser videos. The ones for the Viggen were quite cool as well. However, notice that it didn't give anything away.... we saw bombs dropping but no sign of A-G radar. We saw carrier ops but are these the new carriers or the old ones? I didn't notice if any of the A-A engagements involved the -120.

Probably because it's not ED making the videos!.....otherwise they'd be delayed too.

Did they not get Glowing_Amraam to do the official videos a while back?

They did better than that:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=194439

I asked how making advertising vidoes could "further improve the product" but got no response to this date.

Well, that explains it! Glowing Amraam is good!

Yep, you can guarantee his videos offer pretty much above and beyond anything you will ever experience or hear in-game

If I wasn't so awestruck by his videos, I could swear it's well within false advertising territory

There is a disclaimer, with regard to sounds, at the beginning of some of his videos. I rarely bother to watch them since they don't, typically, show me the sim that I will be getting.

I remember his videos from over a decade ago for LOMAC. Before youtube was popular and the videos used to be uploaded to places such as Filefront. Good for him. Considering he did most if not all the recent videos, I already thought he was working with ED.

"Sound FX have been added for cinematic purposes."
Seems like this one got the same treatment!

His videos are always amazing, for sure. I have to constantly remind myself that I don't experience the same level of excitement when I play (some due to DCS's lack of immersion, some due to pilot capability as well...).

Yeah they are pretty aren't they, but like all movies, it's a process of editing lots of stuff to make it look a way that appeals to the eye (and ears..... the sounds FX always bugs me though, in general sound in Sim's has been fairly average when compared to the visuals)

is like any trailler , they show you the best bits

They dont show you:
DCS falling over more often than a one legged man in an arse kicking contest
Multiplayer timeouts
Massive MP lag spikes
Features not working right etc etc etc

A few bits are misleading as well. On a few shots, we can see the Hornet with Mk-82s, CBUs, and AIM-120s. There was even a shot of the Hornet dropping the dumb bombs.... so I guess these assets are available but the avionics needed to emply them are still non-existent. Not a glimpse of the A-G radar at all

Wow. Could you possibly get any more toxic and cynical? Why do you even bother commenting on the sim if you're just going to do nothing except #%&*$# on every single aspect?

because they've been banned from the other forums that got tired of hearing it. you'd think they'd just move on to a new sim and leave things alone but..

i'm not going to pre-purchase the f-18, or at least not until it's much more clear that release is imminent. end of spring 2018 is a very ambiguous and distant release date.

well if some posters dont like hearing complaints about DCS on here

.......... there is a forum you can go to where all critcism is removed and suppressed
here is a link -> https://forums.eagle.ru

"it wont release by the time end of spring"
"it won't be packing as much development as they say it will once it releases into early access"
"or if it does, some or all of it will be working with bugs or incorrectly"
"oh my god why do we have to pay $60-$80 to beta test this thing?!"
"the youtube movie is nice but its just a movie!"
"the avionics wont be complete because its early access! whats the point!"
"lol they're *still* developing an A-G radar? god how difficult can it be!"
"omg the dynamic campaign in Falcon 4 and BMS is way better!"
"lets count all the rivets lol"
"how dare ED develop the underlying foundation systems before all the fun shooty stuff???"
"remember when we got absolutely zero news about the hornet for years? now its time to complain that its going to spend time available to us to play, but only in a continually-updated state until its feature complete. Damn you, ED!"
"audio immersion! Who needs that!"
"Haha, screw all the idiots who purchase the early access hornet and enjoy it for months before I get to play a polished version."
"lol a business trying to market their product, how dare they"



gosh thats some real constructive criticism there fellas, really promotes an atmosphere of discussion

now excuse me while I go play a multitude of high fidelity hornet sims like Jane's F/A-18... oh doesn't work on win10. Strike Fighters 2? Pretty but missing some necessary features.... BMS? a pig in a dress is still a pig. Seven-G demo? nice to fly in but thats it. VRS Superbug? Gorgeous... but you're still flying in a civilian aircraft simulator world, lol.

The problem is that yes, it has all been discussed to death for the last 10 years....but ED simply hasn't changed and hasn't learned from all their mistakes.....

Out of all the 'quotes' you posted, one stands out to me and that is "how dare ED develop the underlying foundation systems before all the fun shooty stuff" - In case you weren't aware, ED have been developing the underlying foundation systems since 2008, exactly when are we going to get the high fidelity Digital COMBAT Simulator that was promised?

Forums don't have be full of constructive criticism...what's the point in being 'constructive' when ED don't listen anyway? Forums are for people to post and discuss their opinions, something that the ED message boards don't allow.

Was the A-10C not a high fidelity digital combat simulator?

In what terrain? The unfinished Caucasus or the unfinished Nevada.......and what unfinished high fidelity targets and foes can you engage?

At least you took the best example, I could list every other unfinished module in the unfinished World other than the Shark. I could also list several training aircraft that dont even carry weapons in this amazing ‘high fidelity combat sim’.

Why don’t you tell me all about the high fidelity combat you could have in the Christen Eagle II?

Great video, makes me eager to buy it in three years’ if/when complete

I don't mind the "toxic and cynical" bit.... but please point out where we're wrong on what we've said. If you want all rainbows and unicorns, go to the ED forums. "#%&*$# on every single aspect"? LOL, that's ED's doing.


FYI, I'm not banned over there. Also, the "other forums" have not gotten "tired" of hearing it. Suppression and censorship, more like. Ban members and purge threads just because you're "tired of hearing it"?? Ha!


Feel free to show us where ED listened to constructive criticism? Have ED decided on a new "phone home" timeframe yet? No? Feel free to show us where ED listened to constructive criticism.


Obviously, your expectations are.... different. Also, please feel free to elaborate how BMS is a pig. This should be good. Maybe BMS also has crappy 1999 graphics??


Yes... now please show us where we're complaining about DCS A10C?

....In other words, his choices are the Pig or the Hog?

I just love it when people make comments like "DCS rules, all other sims suxxx bollz lol!"
Yeah, bro, that statement is totally legit and establishes great credibility!

I like it!

Ok, I take it back. I just had a post deleted explaining what the situational awareness display in the Hornet looks like because it was either "off-topic" or "already explained" ???

talk about absurdly excessive moderation

Might be time to revisit your posts in this thread

Now try asking them about A-G radar.....

Hello Ice

As you are well known expert in the field of flight sims, with a great attitude, could you rank the Sims you prefer or think are the best.

You seem down on DCS, but I see fairly recently you created new interface for BMS, so is that your fav?
I abandoned BMS because of lack of multi-monitor support...unless using touchscreen like yourself, but systems are dynamic you seem to keep pace!

regards

Slippery_rat

It really depends on what you're looking for. Experienced simmers or others may look for a dynamic campaign to keep them on their toes all the time... new simmers may prefer a more sterile or scripted mission in order to test their methods or reaction times.

My dissatsfaction with ED has more to do with how they are developing the game. New user and interested in ground-pounding? DCS A10C is a very good module. Want some multi-role action? BMS. So what is the best? "it depends"



What do you mean? I've played BMS on multi-screens for ages. I used SoftTH years ago when using different-sized monitors, when upgrading to 3x 27" monitors, I simply combine them in Eyefinity/Surround and the new resolution (5896x1080, bezel corrected resolution) is recognized by BMS. I have to dig into some files to fine-tune my FOV (120-130 works best in my case) and adjust the view-down limits so I can see the cockpit properly, and I'm done.

If you need more help with BMS, post in the Falcon sub-forum here and I'm sure you'll get all the help you need


Here's a shot of BMS in multiple screens

Nice setup!

Thanx, yes I wasnt clear!

The multi-monitor is fine for merely viewing the display, but not for interacting with the app, wasnt possible to use the mouse on an extended monitor.

OT Do you use Voiceattack or similar app.....I love it, very flexible.

regards

Slippery_rat

PS I would PM you but cant!

I went over to BMS, and noticed you were banned! , unless you have another account, hope so!

awesome

Did you measure the angle from the top down view to determine the FOV?

I saw your vdo on youtube, you have a blog somewhere!?

Slippery

Still better graphics than DCS world BTW

Sweet setup Ice. What do you have running that? I see a TrackIR receiver, you still use TrackIR with that?

Still not sure what you mean.... the app? Helios? I use touchscreens for that. IIRC, you can use it in DCS by using mouse on another monitor but due to how BMS implements the mouse cursor, it's not feasible to do so with the program.


I have Voice Attack, VAC, and a couple other programs. Had issues with VA, VAC was more reliable, so I use that for radio comms.



FOV is set so that I have a roughly to-scale HUD. I have a blog but it's more for my Helios profile, really.



Thanks Tom!



Thanks! Single 980Ti. I do need the TrackIR for dogfighting Can't really check six or engage in a turning fight even with that view.

A video would be nice...

Video of?