#4398412 - 01/05/18 03:32 PM
The Best Star Trek TV Series of All Time?
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You can vote for 2, the best and second best in your mind.
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#4398464 - 01/05/18 09:43 PM
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I went with DS9 first and Enterprise second. DS9, for me, is a shoe in for first. I just finished re-watching all 7 seasons of DS9 a few days ago and I am already missing it.
As for my second choice, that could change over time. I picked Enterprise because that is the one I would want to re-watch right now if I were going to re-watch a Trek series. Strong cast with Archer, T'Pol, Trip and Phlox.
I liked TNG, and I though they had some really good episodes, but there are a lot of stinkers in there too. Picard, Riker, Data and Worf make TNG for me.
I see Voyager has gotten no love at all. I actually liked Voyager a lot, even though Janeway is my least favorite captain. Not that I have any real dislike for her, she's okay but I like the others better. I really liked Tuvok, Paris and The Doctor on Voyager.
TOS is almost in a class of it's own for me. It's great and at the same time some of the 60's dialogue and effects let it down. If we're talking movies, it's TOS all day long.
I have no opinion on Discovery, I've not seen it. I said I would never but at the end of season one I'll probably sign up and binge watch it all.
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#4398468 - 01/05/18 10:04 PM
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Discovery has been really good, I'm looking forward to the season continuing this weekend. I love Enterprise, I've just seen all of it so many times that I can't get into watching it. I try but then every episode is in my head so much watching it just isn't the same. TNG...did have a lot of stinkers, especially the first 4 seasons or so, but it's my favorite crew and when it had action, it was really good. Voyager was excellent once they ditched the hippy chick and brought on Seven of Nine. Good characters, but they fell short of TNG and Enterprise. DS9, I guess I'm too much of a B5 fan to get into it. It just seems hokey to me and hard to take seriously, although they had some very cool big events. TOS...I need to give it a go, I'm just afraid it may be too dated for me to enjoy. I don't want to ruin my memories of it.
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#4398491 - 01/06/18 12:28 AM
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DS9, I guess I'm too much of a B5 fan to get into it. It just seems hokey to me and hard to take seriously, although they had some very cool big events.
How much have you seen? DS9 starts off a little dull (not as dull as TNG) but hits it's stride by mid season two at the latest. And it has two of the best "non main cast" characters in any Trek series: Gul Dukat and the marvelously complicated Elim Garak. And Jeffrey Combs, as Brunt and Weyoun, is also great.
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#4398696 - 01/07/18 02:52 PM
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Hey you forgot to list The Orville that is Star Treak by any other name for sure, albeit the comedy version. I have to say I just like the charm of TOS. I would put TNG as second.
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#4398708 - 01/07/18 04:48 PM
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Hey you forgot to list The Orville that is Star Treak by any other name for sure, albeit the comedy version. I have to say I just like the charm of TOS. I would put TNG as second. True, but I limited the choices to "official" Star Trek "Galaxy Quest" would also fit in with Trek movies.
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#4398709 - 01/07/18 04:49 PM
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TOS was cheap in execution (though maybe not by 1960s standards), but I think it told, overall, the best stories. Yes it had several of the best episodes in any Trek, but also several of the worst.
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#4398732 - 01/07/18 07:17 PM
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Yes it had several of the best episodes in any Trek, but also several of the worst. Most likely from the third season when the had cut the budget to next to nothing and gutted the writing staff. IIRC, I think Shatner referred to that season as the monster of the week season. Wheels
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#4398750 - 01/07/18 09:50 PM
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Yes it had several of the best episodes in any Trek, but also several of the worst. Most likely from the third season when the had cut the budget to next to nothing and gutted the writing staff. IIRC, I think Shatner referred to that season as the monster of the week season. Wheels Yep. I also take that into account in picking a favorite, with season 3 being so bad and a few more so-so episodes in season 1-2 TOS only had 45-50 good episodes total. With TNG/DS9 and even Voyager going 7 season they had longer to make good episodes.
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#4398821 - 01/08/18 11:42 AM
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TOS was cheap in execution (though maybe not by 1960s standards), but I think it told, overall, the best stories. Even by 1960's standards, ST:TOS had a bare-bones budget. In one interview I saw with Shatner from several years ago he said that other shows had a larger food catering budget than the entire production budget for ST:TOS.
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#4398822 - 01/08/18 11:45 AM
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Yes it had several of the best episodes in any Trek, but also several of the worst. Most likely from the third season when the had cut the budget to next to nothing and gutted the writing staff. IIRC, I think Shatner referred to that season as the monster of the week season. Wheels They were lucky they even got a third season since NBC cancelled the show after season 2. The ONLY reason it came back was due to a massive letter writing campaign by the fans.
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#4398852 - 01/08/18 03:39 PM
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Enterprise was much more about exploration, which I enjoyed. They didn’t have a book to go by, telling them how to handle everything. They were writing the book as they went along. Things obviously ramped up, but they really seemed like a crew based on discovery, rather than a much more military based ship in TNG. They claim Star Fleet isn’t exactly military, but then they’re the offense and defense arm of Earth. On Enterprise, when things got dangerous, they brought in the actual soldiers. Enterprise was a very pure Star Trek show IMO. More like future astronauts and my favorite ship. I also liked the minimal use of transporters and the distrust of them.
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#4398854 - 01/08/18 03:45 PM
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They claim Star Fleet isn’t exactly military, but then they’re the offense and defense arm of Earth. . Starfleet IS the military arm of the Federation. It's the Federation that is the civilian organizatioin with the peaceful exploration mandate. Of course in ST:TOS, that distinction had not been devised yet so all of the ships including the Enterprise were just under the "Federation" umbrella.
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#4398862 - 01/08/18 04:34 PM
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A ship with families, children, daycare, barber shops, museum, stores etc is not a 100% military vessel. And that was the flagship. LOL I don’t think Star Fleet considers themselves the military, but they are surely militant in structure. They use the excuse of being defensive to explain their weapons etc. which is kind of BS, but since they expand by diplomacy instead of force, I guess it fits. A “defense force” rather than full military. Supposedly. LOL
That’s the problem, they had less in the way of protocols in Enterprise but were more pure in their purpose. TNG...they were fairly directionless, trying to make Enterprise a catch-all. Part science vessel, part diplomatic, part military. The NX-01 Enterprise was about exploration and making contact. It was barely armed when it started it’s long range mission. Voyager appealed to me similarly. They were a science vessel but had to adapt to be diplomatic and a war ship as well. That was one powerful ship by the end.
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#4398870 - 01/08/18 06:00 PM
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Enterprise was much more about exploration, which I enjoyed. They didn’t have a book to go by, telling them how to handle everything. They were writing the book as they went along. Things obviously ramped up, but they really seemed like a crew based on discovery, rather than a much more military based ship in TNG. They claim Star Fleet isn’t exactly military, but then they’re the offense and defense arm of Earth. On Enterprise, when things got dangerous, they brought in the actual soldiers. Enterprise was a very pure Star Trek show IMO. More like future astronauts and my favorite ship. I also liked the minimal use of transporters and the distrust of them. Great post! That's how I have always felt about ENT. I never understood the grief the show got. Even now if you google the subject of this thread you will find most polls, opinions etc. placing Enterprise dead last in popularity. And seeing our poll shows that among those in this forum at least that just isn't so.
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#4398871 - 01/08/18 06:03 PM
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A ship with families, children, daycare, barber shops, museum, stores etc..... To me that was one of the most eye rolling parts about TNG. How many of us would keep our children aboard the Enterprise after only one or two escapes from near annihilation that happened in practically every other episode? Apparently people in the 24th century don't value the lives of their kids.
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