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#4394776 - 12/14/17 01:59 PM OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home  
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Greetings All,

I just wanted to share with you my latest, and quite possibly favorite, addition to my collection of WWI items. It is the aviator’s certificate issued by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale to Jerome Bishop Eberts, and it is beautiful.

Lieutenant J.B. Eberts, from what I’ve gathered so far, was commissioned on 30 May 1916 as an officer in the 141st Infantry Battalion, C.E.F. In early 1918 he was granted transfer to the RFC, and on his pilot training card, dated 14 May 1918, after a six-week course, he is noted as “Fit as Pilot (for) Reconnaissance & Bombing Squadron Pilot” and further “Recommended for: Camels”. This would indicate he had been a student of fair abilities as the-powers-that-be did not tend to recommend the ham-fisted for Camel service.

Lt. Eberts was assigned to 32 Squadron in late summer/early fall of 1918, (though I am not sure of the exact date), flying the SE5a around the Arras area. He was with this unit until his repatriation in 1919. According to squadron records he filed no claims during his few months of combat service with 32 Squadron.

Upon his return to Canada it appears he continued in military service as a member of the 96th Lake Superior Regiment. Also, according to his officer’s dispersal certificate, his occupation in civilian life was that of reporter.

Here are a few photos showing this marvelous certificate, now nearly 100 years old. And I’ve a hunch, given his photo and his status as a pilot, that Lt. Eberts was a fair hit with the young ladies.

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Honestly, the photos don't begin to do this piece of history justice, you need to hold it in your hands to truly enjoy and appreciate its presence.

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Attached Files WWI RAF pilot certificate JB Eberts 2.jpgWWI RAF pilot certificate JB Eberts 3.jpgWWI RAF pilot certificate JB Eberts 1.jpgWWI RAF pilot certificate JB Eberts 4.jpg

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#4394777 - 12/14/17 02:15 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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A very nice piece of History Lou. I am sure it has found a loving home that will take the best care of it. It is an amazing feeling to hold such History in one's hands! To try to imagine what went on and how everyone was affected is as close as one can come to being there. A very nice find.
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#4394783 - 12/14/17 03:12 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Hi Lou, I echo Mr_Dirt's sentiments. I know you will cherish it. A very nice find indeed, and may I say, someone from my home turf across the 49th.


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#4394786 - 12/14/17 03:30 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thank you John and Robert, I will certainly give the best of care to this old certificate. Robert, I figured you would appreciate the fact that Eberts was a countryman of yours. I appreciate the fact that he lived not even an hour away from my home state, and I hope to drive up to where Fort William used to be and see if I can't find the old address that he listed on his attestation paper: Suite 4, Dyke Block, Fort William.

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#4394818 - 12/14/17 06:23 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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#4394973 - 12/15/17 12:34 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Yup, I was just admiring the certificate again this morning Jara and "WOW" was my exact reaction. smile2

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#4394982 - 12/15/17 02:05 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Very nice, Lou! The picture appears to be pasted in?

#4394987 - 12/15/17 02:31 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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That is correct Rick. The certificate was filled in with the pilot's information; the pilot's photo was pasted in and an official stamp placed partially on the photo and partially on the certificate, (I imagine to make it harder to replace the photo with someone else's without showing signs of tampering); the certificate was then signed by all concerned, dated, numbered, and handed to the pilot to be kept on his person.

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Lou, if you had access to a time machine along with your collection of artifacts, no one would bat an eye if you suddenly appeared on the flight line at any aerodrome on the Western front!

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Originally Posted by RAF_Louvert
.Yup, I was just admiring the certificate again this morning Jara and "WOW" was my exact reaction. smile2 .

All WW1 treasures come to he who stalks carefully, and waits.

ps: Where do you get 'Jara' for breakfast?


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#4395044 - 12/15/17 08:00 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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@Hauksbee:it is me - Jara - a short name for Jaroslav biggrin .

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#4395050 - 12/15/17 08:46 PM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Great acquisition, Lou. I went hunting for the signing authorities and was interested to find the Chairman of the Aero Club to be Colonel Sir Henry Lofft Capel-Holden, the founder of the racing circuit at Brooklands. You can find a brief bio here.

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Thanks for the link Raine, interesting stuff. And as you and others here appreciate such things, I am attaching a pair of scans I've located of 2nd Lt. Eberts flight training card - more interesting stuff.

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Attached Files J B Eberts Flight Training Certificate 001.jpgJ B Eberts Flight Training Certificate 002.jpg
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By the way, take note of the fact that after a meager total of just over eight-and-a-half hours of flying time on Shorthorns this fellow was passed through and recommended for Camels. Further proof of how desperately pilots were needed at the front as the war was chewing them up as soon as they arrived.

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Originally Posted by RAF_Louvert
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By the way, take note of the fact that after a meager total of just over eight-and-a-half hours of flying time on Shorthorns this fellow was passed through and recommended for Camels. Further proof of how desperately pilots were needed at the front as the war was chewing them up as soon as they arrived.

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"Further proof of how desperately pilots were needed at the front as the war was chewing them up as soon as they arrived."


No doubt, with such meagre flying hours, and to think they were put directly into Camels!! Talk about a meat grinder!


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#4395080 - 12/16/17 02:10 AM Re: OT: A new treasure has found its way to my home [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Wait, you had to be able to TYPE?!? That's it, I'm out!

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Fascinating stuff, Lou. I wonder how many hours total he had before getting to France.

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That I do not know Raine. I've been sifting through the various document scans I have concerning Eberts' war service and while I am learning a great many interesting things his total flying hours during his training is not one of them.

Rick, the "six words per minute" is in reference to keying Morse Code, not typing. And I am betting that even if it were typing, you Sir could master six words a minute. biggrin
By the way, (and yes I am bragging a bit now), during my stint in the USAFSS I was transcribing Morse Code at the rate of 45 to 50 words per minute, without errors, when the need to do so arose, (and it arose fairly often).

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What a remarkable historical item you've managed to acquire, Lou! I've had the pleasure of looking at some comparable German documents at auctions and collector meetings, but never a British one. It goes without saying that they have been preserved to our days only in rare cases. Fortunately this one couldn't have gone to a better new home. Congrats! smile2

The very small amount of flying hours really does make you wonder. Nobody can become a competent pilot in only a few hours. Heck, you don't learn to drive a car properly in that amount of time!

German fighter pilots usually had more experience when they were assigned to Jastas, because most of them had first served as two-seater pilots.


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Originally Posted by JJJ65
@Hauksbee:it is me - Jara - a short name for Jaroslav biggrin .

Sorry. My mistake. I mis-read the sentence. I thought it said "...admiring the certificate again with this morning's Java." Java = coffee.


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I wish you joy of your prize, Lou. And a better home it could not have found.

I love how a find like this prompts members of this forum to indulge in research, WW1 WWILFing is SO rewarding. :-)

I' was guilty of the same but was stopped short by the by the 8.5 hours.

Eberts seems a bit of an intriguing enigma in other ways.

I'm ignorant of the details of RFC/RAF training, yet Shorthorns in 1918 seems very backward, if Smith-Barry had 'done his thing' by then. I''d the unvoiced assumption training would be on Avros at least, in most TS.

It looks as if his training C.O. (can't really tell from the handwriting) recommended him for Camels but the Medical Board advice was for Bomber/Reconnaissance. That's something of a contrast.

Anyway, the above speculations are me displaying my ignorance but I feel there's more to him than meets the eye.

Bloody good acquisition, I hope you find out more about him.


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Thanks Dej, I am enjoying this new acquisition immensely. And I love indulging in the research too. :-)

I was surprised also by the fact that the Shorthorn was still being used as a primary trainer in 1918.

I imagine the contrast between what his training C.O. recommended and what the Medical Board recommended can be attributed to what H.Q. felt they were in need of at the front at the time. I've a hunch if the Brass Hats said they wanted B/R pilots the Medical Board fell in line and recommended candidates for just that.

After a lengthy period of study of the various available documents I have pieced together the following timeline for the enigma that is our Mister Eberts. Enjoy!



1 April 1916: Eberts resigns his job as sporting editor for the Fort William Times-Journal, (Ontario), and joins the 96th Lake Superior Regiment as a Lieutenant.

23 May 1916: Transfers, as a Lieutenant, to the 141st Battalion C.E.F. (which had been actively recruiting in Fort William at that time).

20 April 1917: Fills out Attestation Paper, re-enlisting in the 141st as a Private, after relinquishing his commission, (apparently the British Army was in need of men from Canada, not officers, and Eberts was tired of waiting to get into the fight).

29 April 1917: Embarks on the S.S. Olympic from Halifax, Nova Scotia. He is promoted to Sergeant for the crossing.

3 May 1917: Disembarks at Liverpool and is sent to the training depot at Dibgate.

7 May 1917: The 141st Battalion C.E.F. is absorbed into the 18th Reserve Battalion.

17 May 1917: Eberts “reverts to ranks in express of Establishment”, now back to a Private again.

4 October 1917: He is separated from service with the 18th Reserve Battalion and is attached to the Royal Flying Corps.

5 October 1917: Leaves Dibgate.

8 October 1917: Arrives at #1 R.F.C. Cadet Wing, St. Leonards-on-Sea, for O.T.C.

24 January 1918: Commissioned in the R.F.C. as a 2nd Lieutenant, (Temporary). A document from this time lists his military character as “VERY GOOD”.

2 March 1918: Sent to #4 Training Squadron at Northolt for primary flight training.

14 May 1918: Sent to #86 Training Squadron, (also at Northolt at this time), for advanced flight training.

26 August 1918: Receives pilot certificate from the British board of the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale.

Late summer/early fall of 1918: Assigned to 32 Squadron in Arras AO, flying SE5a.

After Armistice: Assigned to Pool Pilots Range, Setques, France.

6 March 1919: Approved for repatriation.

March or April 1919: Arrives at R.A.F. Repatriation Camp at Blandford, Dorset.

9 May 1919: Leaves Blandford to return to Canada.

1 November 1921: Commissioned by King George V as a Lieutenant in the 96th Lake Superior Regiment with commission made retroactive to 30 May 1916.


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So perfectly military... "I say, chap is recommended Camels. Either that or a recce squadron. [thump of stamp hitting paper] Very well then, SE5As it is!"

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hee, hee, hee - yup. Raine, I rather imagine Eberts was sitting in the pilot's pool at St. Omer after he'd earned his wings and was sent out when the 32 Squadron C.O. called for the umpteenth time saying, "I'm still short a bloody pilot so send me one, anyone!"

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Hmmm ... R.camE.l 8 There, that’s better. No one will notice.


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I suppose, if we're being fair, the Camel by mid-to-late 1918 had been relegated in large part to ground attack service, bombing and strafing trenches and such, which could classify it as a B/R kite - but that's a stretch. Moot point anyway as Eberts ended up flying the SE5a. The again, you can fit bombs to one of those as well, sooooo...

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Fullofit, clever. Did you happen to change a few 'F's to 'A's on your report cards as a child? Just asking.

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Lou, F’s are so easy to change to A’s. I mean, I was an A student for sure.


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