Anakin, Luke, Rey, possibly Poe Dameron?...all great pilots innately due to the Force even before they knew about it or certainly before they were really trained in it. Swordplay isn't a stretch from that IMO. Ultimately, it's a MOVIE. LOL It's the way it is because that's how the story is meant to go.
We're not just talking swordplay though, it's all of her capabilities that just seemed to instantly be available to her, whereas in every other movie it required training. And sure, it's a movie, but without some internal consistency it's just a random set of images and sounds, not a story that makes sense.
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It's consistent with SW, IMO. Sometimes you just have to wait for a story to unfold to understand it. In the age of spoilers, trailers a year before release, behind the scenes spy photos, story leaks, uber-fans and rivet counters though, too many people don't have the patience to just let it ride until the right time. I'd rather put up with a drawn out explanation than have another "midichlorian" explanation outright.
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I think I’m not that worried about it either way. I’m entertained and have always been a SW fan. I’m ok with that. I’m not looking to overanalyze until I dislike something I like. Everything has worked out for 40 years, I see no reason to expect otherwise. Vader and the Emperer got dealt with. Han was freed from the carbonite. Luke became a Jedi. Han and Leia got together and we had a perfectly good reason why she didn’t go with Luke instead. Ben was still a factor even though he was killed off, as was Yoda. It’s a story and it’s told over time.
I'm not "worried" about it, I'm just calling out poor craftsmanship in movie-making. I'm not focusing on the story in my comments, just the poor structure they use in trying to tell it. And if the recent trends are any indication, there are a lot of people not liking the recent movies, and it's affecting future movie plans, so their sub-standard handling of it all may end the story prematurely.
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Arthonon makes a valid point.
"Solo" still made a profit but no doubt that it fell well below Disney expectations and it fell well below the performance of the previous 3 Disney SW films.
Was this mostly due to fans just tuning out or was it just a bad release date because of all the other big name films that were already out? I think it was a combination of the two.
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Anakin, Luke, Rey, possibly Poe Dameron?...all great pilots innately due to the Force even before they knew about it or certainly before they were really trained in it. Swordplay isn't a stretch from that IMO. Ultimately, it's a MOVIE. LOL It's the way it is because that's how the story is meant to go.
We're not just talking swordplay though, it's all of her capabilities that just seemed to instantly be available to her, whereas in every other movie it required training. And sure, it's a movie, but without some internal consistency it's just a random set of images and sounds, not a story that makes sense.
Between Kathleen "The Force is Female/white men are evil" Kennedy, J.J. "I have a roadmap for hundreds of hours of story but no idea how to end it" Abrams, and Rian "do the opposite of everything on JJ's roadmap because reasons" Johnson, I am not sure the sequel trilogy has amounted to much more than random images and sounds so far. The story really does not make sense, even in the context of the plot hole-ridden Star Wars universe.
Maybe Episode IX will bring it all together (certainly Episode III was the highlight of the prequel trilogy),; if so, it will have been the cinematic retcon job of the century.
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"Solo" still made a profit but no doubt that it fell well below Disney expectations and it fell well below the performance of the previous 3 Disney SW films.
Actually, I do not think it did, not at the box office, anyway.
Solo cost $250M to make, and took in $385M so far, world wide. Roughly half (the formulas are variable and, evidently propriety) goes to the studio (slightly more so the first couple of weeks, and slightly less thereafter). So, assuming a 50/50 split, that means Disney has only made back ~$195M, leaving them ~$55M in the hole.
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I doubt they’re freaking out over one movie considering what SW has done over the last 40 years, and for them directly the last few. There’s more to it than just a single movie’s ticket sales. They’ll be making money on SW every way possible, including the theme park at Disney, for generations. I would expect more between now and next Summer when that opens, not hesitation. They’re all in at this point. Even a weak SW movie is still more enjoyable than most movies and contributes to fans wanting more SW.
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Yeah, the massive 250 million dollar budget for "Solo" was due to the extensive reshoots and hiring Ron Howard who I'm sure didn't come cheap.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
I doubt they’re freaking out over one movie considering what SW has done over the last 40 years, and for them directly the last few. There’s more to it than just a single movie’s ticket sales. They’ll be making money on SW every way possible, including the theme park at Disney, for generations. I would expect more between now and next Summer when that opens, not hesitation. They’re all in at this point. Even a weak SW movie is still more enjoyable than most movies and contributes to fans wanting more SW.
Well, even though TLJ still made a boatload of money, it was a smaller boatload than TFA (from $2068M down to $1332M), though admittedly, both ESB and AotC saw similar percentage drops. More importantly, as discussed elsewhere, merchandising (specifically toys and video games) based on the SW sequel and stand alone movie has not gone nearly as well as expected. I think Fantasy Flights mostly OT-themed games and miniatures are doing alright, interestingly enough, though.
I have no idea if what this article says is accurate, but it's interesting, and I love the title:
How Kathleen Kennedy has Turned #Lucasfilm into a Naked Mole Rat Colony https://medium.com/@MSWGAorg/how-kathleen-kennedy-has-turned-lucasfilm-into-a-naked-mole-rat-colony-599182e00e83
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#4453333 - 12/15/1804:56 AMRe: Star Wars: The Last Jedi - spoilers thread.
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7.2, while probably too high, is only middle of the road for IMDB (especially for a newer movie; with a few notable exceptions, newer movies seem on the average to score higher than ones mad in the 1990s and earlier). Consider, Star Trek: Beyond is a 7.1.
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Originally Posted by Nimits
7.2, while probably too high, is only middle of the road for IMDB (especially for a newer movie; with a few notable exceptions, newer movies seem on the average to score higher than ones mad in the 1990s and earlier). Consider, Star Trek: Beyond is a 7.1.
I can pretty much guarantee that the vast majority of people who bother to cast votes for movie ratings on IMDB are under the age of 30. It's just simply the kind of social media/internet thing that older generations couldn't care less about for the most part.
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#4453711 - 12/18/1806:08 AMRe: Star Wars: The Last Jedi - spoilers thread.
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7.2, while probably too high, is only middle of the road for IMDB (especially for a newer movie; with a few notable exceptions, newer movies seem on the average to score higher than ones mad in the 1990s and earlier). Consider, Star Trek: Beyond is a 7.1.
I can pretty much guarantee that the vast majority of people who bother to cast votes for movie ratings on IMDB are under the age of 30. It's just simply the kind of social media/internet thing that older generations couldn't care less about for the most part.