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#4393710 - 12/08/17 12:23 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted by GrayGhost
Sorry but as this point this is just sheer paranoia. Fine, I get the slippery slope but on the other hand, I don't believe that ED would do something illegal -

Oh i dont know about that. If it wasn't illegal the kickstarter scam was pretty damn close.


DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4393717 - 12/08/17 12:43 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Ah yes, thanks! Just wondered if you were referring to a different one. It is fun watching them squirm in a mess that is their own making.


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#4393720 - 12/08/17 01:11 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Someone can't handle the heat and has resorted to "why are you even posting here?"


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#4393721 - 12/08/17 01:24 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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"Maybe you are better discussing it at the other forum, I hear you are having more fun there."
Lol. He's itching to use the ban hammer you can almost feel it. A couple of months ago that discussion wiuld have been closed and many folk banned. I guess there has been some progress there.


DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4393739 - 12/08/17 03:25 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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If they think they're not doing anything wrong, why are they trying to hide that they're gonna apply this DRM to all modules. Very, very clever to change title of the thread , now why wouldn't they want people to know that? Afterall it's very good professional DRM system which makes all better and everyone will be happy like little elves. They're misleading people intentionally to think that this only applies to Harrier module.

#4393745 - 12/08/17 03:49 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice

Upon deeper reflection, I have come to realize you are 100% correct. Why would ED want to save face over this? Since when have ED cared about the customer? Trigger-happy on the ban-hammer, rule 1.13, taking away the ability to sell/gift our old modules, etc.... clearly they didn't care about their "face", so why should they care now? I apologize for my confusion on the matter.



I'm sure you wouldn't mind ED releasing broken modules given that they're willing to fix those modules.... I'm also sure you wouldn't mind how long ED takes as long as they're working on it. Again, my bad. I totally see it from your perpective now and can appreciate why you would say such things.

Originally we were talking about the 3 day grace period and ED hypothetically changing votes. That has nothing to do with their past mistakes. As for the DRM itself, it has not been implemented across all modules, and the module that it is included with is in Open Beta. I think it's fair to put the DRM in its own category based on these differences. ED shouldn't have rolled it out without any prior announcement or discussion, but it's not a concern or issue that they've left unaddressed for a long time. I can't say it won't become one, but it has not yet.

If you want to include existing issues, like module fixes, then I don't see how editing the vote will do anything for those issues.



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Just like you move on when you no longer wish to defend points you were trying to make.... like admitting to saying things that you wish to backtrack on....

There is no point if my explanations are ignored, that's the thing.


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I'm not worried about false information... that does not come from me.

1.13 is unfair, correct. It was a way to ban anyone for anything, correct. 1.13 is gone now, correct.
Still does not erase the fact that it was there and it was used to it's fullest extent and sometimes even past that.

OK, I wasn't arguing otherwise.


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You wish to disqualify other people's experience and then come back here claiming your own has more merit? You've not seen people banned, sure. But have you looked? Tell you what.... try being critical of ED on ED's forums and we'll take a note of how long that lasts before you're banned. Up for the challenge?

Whose experience am I disqualifying? You've mentioned a few people that were banned unfairly, that can still occur while others aren't banned unfairly. You're giving me evidence for unfair bans, but not supporting the idea that disagreeing with ED is an automatic ban. I've seen people banned, just not for having a difference of opinion with a moderator. As for looking at past bannings, it's not always easy to determine what has happened given that posts tend to be removed.

I won't be critical for the sake of being critical, but if I don't like something that ED has done I might post about it as I've done in the past.

#4393751 - 12/08/17 04:13 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd

Lol. He's itching to use the ban hammer you can almost feel it.


...maybe he'll just lock the thread instead...oh...wait. biggrin

They changed the title too? what was the original title ?

90 days for the win...see how they squirm out of that one.

#4393754 - 12/08/17 04:23 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Original title was "Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit" - it was asked why they changed it, but mods probably were too busy to answer that, I guess they were doing that .. what mods do when they're not answering questions.

#4393758 - 12/08/17 05:53 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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If ED did goalposts:

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#4393762 - 12/08/17 07:10 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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winkngrin. ^^^^^^^^^ winkngrin


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#4393768 - 12/08/17 08:50 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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And if they were advanced manufacturers, those wheels would be stealth'ed.

#4393770 - 12/08/17 10:23 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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What a noob, posts one last dig at a customer then closes thread .....


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Last edited by leaf_on_the_wind; 12/08/17 10:44 AM.

Finishing a product (that has already been paid for) shouldn't be a priority but an obligation.

Ferengi Rule of acquisition #1 Once you have their money ... never give it back.

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#4393786 - 12/08/17 01:05 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
I think the poll will extend to the point that 90 days 'wins' with about 50% of the votes but there is no way on earth ED will opt for that. I reckon they'll go with 30 days......any less than that and it still won't help many people.


Do I get a prize for being close to 50% when the poll got shut down? I can see it now, I think the prize will be a 6 month delay to 2.5 which was due in the 'coming weeks' but is it really any surprise the thread got closed?........the mods and ED were taking an absolute battering in there.....all of their own doing too. Short-sightedness and incompetence with flying colours once again.

343 voters in the poll, 367 votes ?


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#4393791 - 12/08/17 02:11 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
Originally Posted by GrayGhost
Sorry but as this point this is just sheer paranoia. Fine, I get the slippery slope but on the other hand, I don't believe that ED would do something illegal -

Oh i dont know about that. If it wasn't illegal the kickstarter scam was pretty damn close.


While we are on this. Do we believe luthier - who fronted the Kickstarter enterprise then mysteriously disappeared - is still involved with dcs ww2?

Part of me can’t help but shake the feeling he is. I’ve nothing to base that on though.

#4393795 - 12/08/17 02:24 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
[quote=Paradaz]343 voters in the poll, 367 votes ?

I think I've seen a bug where the forum forgets your vote and lets you vote again, but I have not seen it for a while. Although looking at the image, it says multiple choice poll. I didn't notice that before.

#4393796 - 12/08/17 02:31 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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If ED did ballot boxes:

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#4393805 - 12/08/17 03:06 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
343 voters in the poll, 367 votes ?



When I set up the Poll. I allowed voters to make multiple selections.

One could vote 60 & 90 days if so wanted.

There is a patch out today for :

DCS 2.2.0.12448 Full Change Log

Support of AV-8B by RAZBAM

Added procedure that collect all necessary files to ZIP for diagnostic. After game crash, will be started procedure that automatically collects debugging information: crash report, crash dump, track, log. If the user agrees to provide information about the system, then msinfo.nfo and dxdiag.txt files are additionally attached.


Added a gameplay statistics. If the user agrees for statistic collecting, the game settings and the type of the player controlled object will be sended to server. This information will be analyzed for further gameplay improvements.

No mention of the new DRM.


Kudos for ED for solving a bug I reported


The Multi-functional Display will not flickering when using SLI/XFire and Deferred Shading.

cheers

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Poll Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit
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#4393806 - 12/08/17 03:22 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Polls closed now...

#4393815 - 12/08/17 04:03 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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"Added a gameplay statistics. If the user agrees for statistic collecting, the game settings and the type of the player controlled object will be sended to server, their last played game, information about their hardware, surfing habits, full contact details, their mother's name, their mother's cats name, their father's cousin's friend's last girlfriend's best friend's brother's cousin's aunt's name. This information will be analyzed for further gameplay improvements"

#4393820 - 12/08/17 04:20 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: FartHog]  
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Originally Posted by FartHog
If ED did ballot boxes:

[Linked Image]

El oh el. So true! I laughed so hard.
Still laughing

Last edited by Johnny_Redd; 12/08/17 04:21 PM.

DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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