#4392034 - 11/30/17 12:14 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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I was a bit suprised to see that they are now also collecting "anonymous" data from us with the new update. What data are they collecting from us and how is it anonymous if I have to log in?
Collecting data? Source? Options menu? Yup buy new plane. Install spyware, and denuvo(?) . Will be happy. Hahahaha Bye bye dcs Do you have a source that the new copy protection scheme will be using Denuvo DRM? What other program injected in games today does that? It would certainly be easier to list software that doesn't do this than the other way around. Even your browser collects your usage data. I don't see you running around claiming that Denuvo is part of your browser. Yes, you don't because that would be stupid.
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#4392039 - 11/30/17 12:38 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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I was a bit suprised to see that they are now also collecting "anonymous" data from us with the new update. What data are they collecting from us and how is it anonymous if I have to log in?
Collecting data? Source? When I installed the update. I had to click a button to allow DCS to collect anoymous data from DCS. SD
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#4392042 - 11/30/17 12:59 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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When I installed the update. I had to click a button to allow DCS to collect anoymous data from DCS.
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So click "No" instead? Nate
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#4392044 - 11/30/17 01:22 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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What exactly is the anonymous data being collected ?
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#4392062 - 11/30/17 03:23 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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"So IF you are offline for more than 4 days ..... no DCS World"
Guys, while I don't know what this is all about, and frankly I don't care, you need to reread. In your haste to be negative about all things DCS you are missing the part that says, ".....or the next time you log in." Geez..calm down.
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#4392072 - 11/30/17 03:54 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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"So IF you are offline for more than 4 days ..... no DCS World"
Guys, while I don't know what this is all about, and frankly I don't care, you need to reread. In your haste to be negative about all things DCS you are missing the part that says, ".....or the next time you log in." Geez..calm down.
That, coupled with the fact that the people complaining about having to connect to the internet every FOUR DAYS post an average of 10 times a day on Sim-Hq to take digs at Eagle Dynamics. Never let some perceived flaw go to waste in the never ending quest to be a prophet of doom..... Of course, I really applaud your obviously genuine concern for those who live "off the grid", yet play a (relatively) sophisticated flight simulator in their spare time. Your concern for toothless hillbillies living in hillbilly shacks is truly saint-like.
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#4392081 - 11/30/17 04:24 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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The point isn't about access to internet or the system "phoning home" every 4 days. The uproar is why the change to this model in the first place?
I also don't understand why the change to a "keyless" system.... I think this is so that people can no longer sell on their modules. Once it's bound to your username, it's done. You can't sell it or give it away because there's no key to be given away. Some people can GIFT you a new copy of a module, but you cannot SELL or GIFT your own modules to someone else. This is how I predict the new system is going to be
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#4392083 - 11/30/17 04:37 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Of course, I really applaud your obviously genuine concern for those who live "off the grid", yet play a (relatively) sophisticated flight simulator in their spare time. Your concern for toothless hillbillies living in hillbilly shacks is truly saint-like.
Very true. Who is going to choose to play a SIM as intricate as DCS without access to the internet for advice, support, hints, tutorials etc etc?
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#4392084 - 11/30/17 04:39 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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#4392085 - 11/30/17 04:42 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Some people can GIFT you a new copy of a module, but you cannot SELL or GIFT your own modules to someone else. Is selling used modules common? I'm asking because I honestly don't know. Can you do this in other games? It may just be the direction the industry is headed, but that'd be a total guess on my part.
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#4392088 - 11/30/17 04:44 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Someone raised a good point --- why every 4 days? Why not daily? Or 2 days? Or 3? Or 7? Who picked 4 days and why? What's wrong with checking once a month? Or every 2 months?
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#4392089 - 11/30/17 04:45 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Of course, I really applaud your obviously genuine concern for those who live "off the grid", yet play a (relatively) sophisticated flight simulator in their spare time. Your concern for toothless hillbillies living in hillbilly shacks is truly saint-like.
Very true. Who is going to choose to play a SIM as intricate as DCS without access to the internet for advice, support, hints, tutorials etc etc? if I understood it well - the concerns are about privacy and having an intrusive software in your PC that is what happens when you jump first ...
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#4392090 - 11/30/17 04:46 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Golly, Before you post to the ED forums complaining that your access has been revoked, take the ten seconds required to hide the pirated TV shows on your desktop.
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#4392092 - 11/30/17 04:49 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Some people can GIFT you a new copy of a module, but you cannot SELL or GIFT your own modules to someone else. Is selling used modules common? I'm asking because I honestly don't know. Can you do this in other games? It may just be the direction the industry is headed, but that'd be a total guess on my part. It used to be. People would buy a module, try it out, then sell it on if they didn't like it. Or perhaps buy a module, try it, shelf it for a time, then a new module comes out which the user may find more interesting, so he sells the shelfed module to help pay for the new module. When ED showed more and more incompetence, some people even resorted to giving away their modules for FREE, as some sort of protest action. ED put a stop to selling (or giving away) modules some time back, with a promise to bring in a new system at a later date. We all know how that's progressed. As for selling games, people do it all the time in console games, selling it to other people or trading it in to a store for store credit or cash. Steel Beasts makes this possible by selling the USB dongle.
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#4392095 - 11/30/17 04:58 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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At the time of posting this the issue had already been rectified a good long while ago............... Begs the question: Why post it?
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