Come On Ice,

You know I wasn't talking about Console Games. Don't be obtuse.

As far as it goes, those looking to jump on over to 777 should expect the EXACT same thing, at least when it comes to the collector planes. They are tied to your account. Period.

I'm not warning anyone off of 777 games, because they're great. But they use a very similar system for copy protection.

It's not defending DCS at all. It's attempting to make common sense out of nonsensical arguments. By all means argue your point. Just be prepared to have your argument analysed and be further prepared to plug the holes which are inevitably present when one decides to rant for the sake of ranting as opposed to presenting a well thought, constructive argument.

the only thing I know for sure is that like it happened with Starforce - this will a source of a lot of controversy.

best thing is not to update 2.1 and wait until we know more about it.

....or just move on. I can't see spending so much time and effort (and emotions,,,geez!) on something that you aren't happy with. I still come in here to see the screenshots of new stuff and...well...frankly, all the arguments are rather entertaining. But really...talking about it for years? There are things about DCS that I'm not happy with. I try and fly the Mustang, but I'm giving up.I like my F-86, so it stays on my computer. But no more buys from me. Oh God....unless an F4 Phantom came out! Damn. But it's not gonna happen.
And still, even the people who complain buy yet another module. I just don't understand it. Like that great president Bush once said, "You can fool me once but you can fool..uh, no you can't fool me once but...uh, no you can..uh..oh , you can't fool me!"

Oh heck yeah I remember those days.....the world was going to end, fire and brimstone and the like.

And yet here we still are.

People abhor change, irrespective of whether they wake up 12 months down the line and actually realise that said change was actually for the better.

Although this user was locked out only short time, it illustrates well one of the drawbacks of this drm technique: If the authentication server is for whatever reasons unreachable (user has no internet connection, denial of service, ED went out of business...) you can not use your software anymore.
The other big drawback is, that ED has full control over your software: they can allways withdraw your license to use the software.

maybe it was before your time, people would not buy FC1.1 because of that

a lot of people left and a lot of bad blood resulted from it, it was very damaging.

Fixing a broken thing doesn't change the fact that it was broken.

Viper has been around for most of it.

so you guys know what to expect from it - DRM is too much controversy for my taste, include me out.

Software is never 100% fool-proof, especially not during early-access. If you were expecting things to work 100% flawlessly during this release well then, I'd seriously advise that you lower your expectations, unless of course the intent is that one grabs on any shortcoming as it appears to better aid in the mud-slinging.

In that case I would understand why a meal is being made of everything.

This is what will keep me from ever agreeing with this type of arrangement with *any* of my media (music, movies and games).

It's a simple test...if I can't include it in my Will (which I keep current), I'll never buy it.

AMEN

Well, I answered your question regarding modules and also gave Steel Beasts as an example, didn't I? But you go an latch onto the "bigger picture" example I've made....


Not the same. DCS sells each aircraft individually. This is obviously not the case in BoS, with 8 aircraft for the price of US$50 plus 2 more for an additional US$30. I don't think you can "split up" your aircraft, plus how are you going to play if you only buy the aircraft anyway? Don't be obtuse.

Also, has 777 changed DRM systems right after release of a game?
Does it require periodic checks to see if you're a pirate or not?




Fair point Viper.... now I wonder why I'm on your ignore list?



If you don't like it, don't buy the module!
Pro ED: How can you comment on the module if you don't even own it??!!?

Buy the module to give it a fair assessment!
Pro ED: Why did you buy it if you don't like ED and you were aware of the bugs??!!?

It's not what you say Ice, it's how you say it.

That probably covers a good 25% of it.

For the rest of the 75%, it's what you say and how you say it.

This scheme is very worrisome. No internet for three days and you can't load the game? Not sure if I'd run into this problem but I'm still not a fan at all. Besides, how many people crack DCS? I don't think you can even find semi recent versions on the various torrent sites. Seems very heavy handed for no real good reason. I can't imagine the piracy rate is high and even if there are builds are probably very outdated. Seems like a waste of money and effort.



This is false, there is no performance difference between Denuvo and no Denuvo. I do not like it one bit though.

I wonder,will this new system (whatever it may be) affect modules that have been gifted in the past?

Sorry, I'm confused. It's not what I say, but how I say it..... but then it's what I say and how I say it..... which one is it? Maybe I tend to gravitate towards a certain tone because people don't really know what they're saying..... or at the very least, don't write clear enough to get their point across fairly.

Regardless, can you not ignore the "how" and address the contents of the post? I thought you wanted a well thought, constructive argument which can be analyzed and holes identified? And then you complain of the tone of delivery? Even then, surely not each and every one of my posts are of the same tone?



Exactly one of the points!! What if you last played three days ago, and on the fourth day, you want to play but your ISP is having issues or is "upgrading services in your area"? Are you SoL then?

You will also see that if you look around, pirates always get around DRM and the only real victims of DRM are the legit users in some cases.

The related thread in the ED forum is interesting. The community manager defends the new drm schema with "It's protection for ED and even for us." Do they really believe this?

I bought a few DCS Modules in the past. But with this new drm schema I'm done with DCS.

As others have said, there are worse DRM out there, but from the consumer stand point, no DRM is the best DRM. I do hope they enforce all modules using this DRM (or ideally no DRM), versus letting teams choose their own incredibly annoying and terrible DRM (looking at you, Mig 21!).

In any event, what really annoys me isn't the DRM, but the announcement after the alpha launch. There's no excuse for that. ED had to have known for a while this was the plan. So that either makes then conniving because they knew it would dent sales and purposely withheld info, or they legitimately forgot to announce and/or plan for this to be the launch platform for this new DRM, which makes them incompetent. There is no alternative.

I feel bad for Razbam too. I doubt they chose this, and wouldn't surprise me if this was a last minute thing for them too. "Oh hey that platform you've been painstakingly working for the past several months, we're going to take a giant dump on it right before launch. K thanx bye!"




You can transfer your UN and PW, which by default will now contain your entire collection. Not ideal, but that can be included in your Will.

Really, what we've lost with this system is the ability to sell individual modules. Not great, but par for the digital course, sadly.

Also, based on that test, how do you handle buying:
-a meal at a restaurant?
-air fair and hotel bookings?
-Pretty much any service based offering?