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#4390675 - 11/21/17 02:32 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
There is a ton of physical evidence we were on the Moon, and a whole bunch of nations with telescopes that would love to expose a lie like that.


The Russians and the Chinese would have been fighting for first in line to reveal a hoax if there were one. It is just another example of the boundlessness of stupidity that some humans are capable of. Unfortunately, they get to reproduce.


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#4390684 - 11/21/17 03:29 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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Well, all you have to do is go to some of the idiot sites on the 'net, they are enough to make you lose all faith in humanity, if you ever had any. I saw a post today where a grown young woman asked why the water doens't drain off the South Pole into outer space. I almost pray it's an attention-getting joke or a fake. What are they learning in school? Everything but useful knowledge, it would seem. Not universally. But too much of the time. But they can put condoms on bananas!

The moon landing believers are probably of two camps: True believers and those who make a fortune off of them. The true believers I don't understand. It seems, like many of these sorts of things, to invest them as the only ones with this "special knowledge" of the "real truth". They typically feel marginalized, perhaps some real social maladjustment, who knows? But on this one thing, by glory, they know "the truth". Sad.

When I look back though, the Saturn V and the Apollo 11 landing does appear to me as a stunning achievement, coming just under 66 years after Orville and Wilbur managed to fly a few feet under power. It also seems to be a pinnacle of sorts. Not that we haven't done more good things; look at all the great things we've done with Voyager, Casini, Opportunity, Spirit, Curiosity, and a host of others; and of course, the ISS, Hubble, & hopefully James Webb coming up. But that late 60's crap seemed to me (I was a teenager) to just screw up the nations's soul in a way. We're broke, deeply divided, seemingly unable to speak in any sort of moderate, respectful or intelligent way with each other (unless we agree...). On the science side, NASA has had to struggle for a budget, the Shuttle was not what we expected, we're buying rocket seats from Russia while our SLS lumbers along behind schedule and over cost. There seems to be no vision, but maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I was just talking with a younger co-worker today (early 30's) who is a space enthusiast, and we were wondering what the picture will be like in 2035, another 66 years since the Apollo 11 landing. I guess we'll see!


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#4390691 - 11/21/17 06:18 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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The Mercury/Apollo missions were the right program at the right time for the technology needs of the nation.

Transistors were new but common, electronic computing was maturing, and the materials research of WWII had grown during the 1950's to the point where it was ready to leap to the next level.

From a pure science standpoint, we needed Mercury/Apollo to give us a vehicle to justify the research. There was no other way Congress was going to allocate funds for it.

And, of course, if you really want a massive research project to perfect the ICBM without a lot of peacenik pinkos getting all fussy about "saving the planet," you make it about the romance of Space Exploration, American Pride, and beating those F*cking Soviets.

Today we're not innovating in Space Exploration so much as improving the technology in ways that aren't really obvious to the average Joe. Yes, I know the astronauts didn't really drink Tang, but I sure did. A lot of it. It was terrible, but it came with a friggin' Moon Buggy and two little astronauts to ride in it, powered by a rubber band guaranteed to break in less than .014521 seconds and be discarded. So buy more Tang, Mom!

Apollo brought back Moon rocks they pulled from the divots carved from the surface with golf clubs. How cool was that?

The Mars rovers send back pictures that look crappy. Like bad CGI crappy. Or fake taken-from-a-flip-phone-in-Arizona looking. Never mind that the rovers outlived their expected lifespan by five years and have made all sorts of amazing discoveries - when was the last time the guys at NASA (or one of their grant recipients) invented something as cool as velcro? Or as useful as a wireless heart monitor?

The guys on the ISS seem to be doing....I dunno. Playing racketball in microgravity, I reckon. At one point they had the most unsexy sort of human shaped robot ever made up there, but other than they sent it up there I know squat about how it worked out.


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#4390706 - 11/21/17 10:57 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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Landed on the moon? What moon. It doesn't exist. Prove it. What you see in the sky is a fake backdrop.


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#4390709 - 11/21/17 11:41 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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Moon landing deniers? Bah! That's child's play compared to something like Holocaust deniers.


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#4390737 - 11/21/17 03:21 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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#4390746 - 11/21/17 03:52 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Moon landing deniers? Bah! That's child's play compared to something like Holocaust deniers.



Moon landing deniers, Holocaust deniers and 9/11 "Truthers" are all the same to me.


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#4390748 - 11/21/17 04:09 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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I'm not surprised some fools believe in the hoax nonsense, given how there's so many folks that believe in other nonsense. Remember, half the population is to the left of middle:

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100 isn't that smart, either. But remember, they can't help it, as they only have the deck of cards they were dealt and can't trade some in for a new draw.

I ignore them--it's a little easier as I get older I'm finding, and slowly beginning to realize how my dad could say that in his early sixties before he passed away. Can't win a debate versus a clown, because if they're dumb enough to believe stupid crap, no amount of logic and reason will ever convince them otherwise. Their brains aren't wired to understand it.

I can't wait until we land on Mars. What are they going to say then? Or even better... when aliens visit us for real(if they ever do). Oh, I can see it now, some nutjob running out of the crowd with a knife or scissors trying to cut open the "rubber suit" to prove the alien is fake. Maybe after they're zapped with a raygun or disintegrated into a smoking pile of flesh the rest of them will believe. Maybe. Probably not, though, that'll be staged too.

Our schools are like a modern Harrison Bergeron. They don't want smarts and intelligence anymore, they want willing zombie drones. Read the story here if you haven't before:

https://archive.org/stream/HarrisonBergeron/Harrison%20Bergeron_djvu.txt

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#4390751 - 11/21/17 04:44 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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Originally Posted by 462cid
I've read today that many people think we can't get an object out of orbit even now. Seriously, what is being taught in schools?



Here's a quote that is pertinent:

If a foreign government had imposed this system of education on the United States, we would rightfully consider it an act of war.

Glenn T. Seaborg, National Commission on Education, 1983.

I think that quote also applies to a lot of what happens in the UK secondary and college sectors as well. Hope I haven't PWEC'd this thread.


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#4390770 - 11/21/17 06:18 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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Originally Posted by 462cid
... the moon landings were incredible feats of courage and scientific triumph- but are, merely, comparable to feats in the deep ocean that we achieved at the same general time.

A favorite book of mine is The Silent War https://www.amazon.com/Silent-War-Cold-Battle-Beneath/dp/0743223268 which deals with these things.

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Have you read "Blind Man's Bluff", if so how does it compare? I've read BMB and it is very good.


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#4390821 - 11/21/17 10:12 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by 462cid
... the moon landings were incredible feats of courage and scientific triumph- but are, merely, comparable to feats in the deep ocean that we achieved at the same general time.

A favorite book of mine is The Silent War https://www.amazon.com/Silent-War-Cold-Battle-Beneath/dp/0743223268 which deals with these things.

Recommended



Have you read "Blind Man's Bluff", if so how does it compare? I've read BMB and it is very good.


Of course! Intriguing book. Dr. Craven, the author of 'The Silent War', features prominently in it.

In his book Dr. Craven alludes to some inaccuracies in Blind Man's Bluff. But overall, I would say that the two books compliment each other greatly. If you liked Blind Man's Bluff, you will like The Silent War.

A related book which probably does not feature as much fact as it does deduction is Red Star Rogue. It should be read with a huge grain of salt, but it raises some fascinating points and possibilities. An exciting read, if taken as fiction only. Not like a novel, but in how the events tie together.


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#4390826 - 11/21/17 10:36 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: THX-1138]  
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Originally Posted by THX-1138
One thing that many of these hoaxers do not question is the following:

If the moon landings were faked wouldn't the Soviets be the first to tell the world that it was?



I used to think this was an argument that should work on moonlanding conspiracy theorists. But that is not the way conspiracy theorists operate.

When I was at university I got into an argument about that. I asked what they thought the motivation for faking the moonlandings was.
They answered "to one-up the russians."

So I asked why the russians did not expose the program as fake.
The aswer to that was "Duh, the russians were in on it".

Ok, so what was the motivation for the US again?
"Duh, one-upping the russians"

And why did the russians not expose it?
"Are you a dummy? I told you, they were in on it".


I kinda gave up then. Every single time I have talked to deniers, it has turned out that they have no basic understanding of physics. Like, not even a little bit.
And the only research they do is amongst other deniers. So they just confirm their beliefs. They never do any actual research on the physical aspects. It's all feels before reals.

#4390834 - 11/22/17 12:09 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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we had to beat the Russians to the moon ....and we did ...... kind of (that's as much detail as i can provide)


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#4390840 - 11/22/17 03:21 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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We beat the Russians to the Moon because we live in a free society. Then Prez Kennedy made a seemingly impossible challenge.
We accepted. And we did.

[sidenote - I read somewhere that mentioned that at the height of the Apollo program, 1 out of 4 Americans were involved directly,
or indirectly] That's pretty cool.

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#4390843 - 11/22/17 03:40 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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#4390844 - 11/22/17 03:59 AM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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And they all managed to keep the fact that it was a hoax...a secret. They could really keep a secret back then!


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#4390868 - 11/22/17 12:24 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: 462cid]  
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No doubt that some dummies really believe these crazy conspiracies but I think most people claim to believe in them just to generate attention to themselves.

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#4390897 - 11/22/17 03:54 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
No doubt that some dummies really believe these crazy conspiracies but I think most people claim to believe in them just to generate attention to themselves.


I don't doubt that you are correct but I have trouble understanding why someone would align themselves with such a nonsensical viewpoint just to gain notoriety.


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#4390899 - 11/22/17 04:01 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: cichlidfan]  
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Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
No doubt that some dummies really believe these crazy conspiracies but I think most people claim to believe in them just to generate attention to themselves.


I don't doubt that you are correct but I have trouble understanding why someone would align themselves with such a nonsensical viewpoint just to gain notoriety.


Why would someone post a YouTube video of them doing really stupid stuff for the World to see?


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#4390904 - 11/22/17 04:19 PM Re: The latest nonsense about the faked moon landing [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK


Why would someone post a YouTube video of them doing really stupid stuff for the World to see?



They are starved for attention and have personal psychological issues? They probably figure that some attention is better than no attention even if its negative.

I think someone here on SimHQ a few months ago posted a Youtube video of some guy putting fireworks in his ass and then lighting them? Stupidity for the purpose of getting attention is more common than you think.

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