If they drop the Pacific preorder ill try really hard not to buy and then buy it a few minutes later.

Announcing an announcement is the perfect way to create disappointments.
One would think these guys would have learned by now.

They have learned as it happens... since Jason took over the game has gone from strength to strength...

Indeed they have, it is turning out to be quite an incredible combat flight sim. I have no telling how many hours in it now since earlier this year , and I love the direction they are heading with it. I fly it almost daily now.

And I was a large critic of it when it was first officially released.

+1. They have learned and are really turning BOX around. Lets just hope they keep focusing on the right aspects of BOX while they move forward. AI refinement, a Hyperlobbyish MP gathering Lobby that supports the Self Hosted Coop, AI Refinement, Air Marshall MP, AI refinement, Mods on mode, AI refinement, Separate Joystick profiles like ROF, AI refinement, Dots for long distance icons, AI refinement. Did I mention AI Refinement and Expanded Development?? Did I leave anything out?

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Don't forget the AI refinement! What I would really like to see is the separate joystick profiles for different aircraft, but doubt that's worthy of a major announcement.
This has to be something big!

Agreed, but this is something that is sorely needed especially as the sim develops and more planes come into the mix.

Two things I really would love to have for our controllers:
Separate profiles for individual panes
Ability to assign a joystick button as a press and hold modifier.

Waite, didn't you post this just the other day? Don't get caught on the tracks when "The Hype Train " comes through.

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Yep, but im someone posting on a simulation forum in a BoS subforum. My comment was more a generalization for new customers and no people hopelessly addicted to flight sims already. I've tried very hard to get quite a few people to give BoS a try and they wont for various reasons. I still stand by that comment also. BOAF would do much better getting away from the IL2 brand IMO. I know several people who really want a pacific game who wont pick up BOAF just because of past history. (or so they say, it's one thing to say it and another to do it when it finally is playable.)

I'd love to see something announced about the Pacific, but isn't this announcement just going to be for the release of BoK? They previously mentioned that the whole thing would come together towards the end of the year, so I'm guessing we'll soon see a beta for the new campaign with all aircrafts in the BoK map as well as an official release date.
*edit* I guess I should have read the announcement about the announcement first. The mention about plans for the future makes me hope for something beyond BoK indeed. Fingers crossed. It's already Friday here but I guess I'll have to wait for breakfast on Saturday to read the news.

They'll Probably anounce that the career mode has gone live and will be in the next update. Looking forward to it.


SD

WOW Rise of Flight in the BoX engine. Nice. Looking forward to that.

SD

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topi...enplatte-flying-circus-tank-crew-and-mo/

RoF in the new engine as well as a multicrew tank game. This is way more than I could have asked for. But what about the pacific stuff?

I really hope it works out for them.

Sunk due the lobby of "Luftw'hiners" against...

Whilst I am disappointed in the delay of the Pacific Theatre, I am looking forward to seeing ROF get some love along with VR support.

Explained here:
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32257-my-comments-delay-pto-development/

You are totally wrong... nothing to do with any kind of lobbying.
The Pacific 'will' come, when they have the resources to do it justice.

Keep funding other theaters Pacific-guys, soon enough you will get those future promises you keep paying for.
Just have faith.
It's for something good.

Well one thing about this developer, they deliver what they say they are going to deliver.

Also here is the news on pacific delay.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32257-my-comments-delay-pto-development

That could be argued both ways really. They heavily hinted that the BoK development was to pave the way into the pacific where they would test their boat/water tech before launching pacific. Many people bought BoK solely to fund Pacific and now there is no concrete Pacific schedule anymore.

I am truly and seriously gutted to hear the news about the Pacific delay. Im also one of those who only bought BoK to fund pacific. I dont think I have even logged in and flown any of the BoK planes or terrain. Now the hard part of more waiting... and waiting.

Well I doubt anyone wants a half assed version of the Pacific. If the delay means a high quality version then I can wait a bit longer.

That is true. Also this means that when Pacific IS finally released we might be flying dVIIs and camels off the decks I do hope they manage to get the RoF, WWII and multicrew tanks all into the same engine so they can be used together at the same time. Its completely pointless historically but still would be fun.

Didn't stop BoS to be released, did it?


Edit: Found this gem at the mad house "But Today's announcement made me spend money that I did not even have! Now I will have to not eat lunch for the rest of the month."
I mean, seriously, retard?



I don't 'moderate' very often Oden.
But your post woke me up.
One more time with the slur's like that, and it will wake YOU up.
I'll leave it stand, for people to see.
You are 'proud' of that type of name calling, right?

When BoS was released I bought it, and then sold it on pretty quick. I was a huge detractor in those days, Different world now, With Jason in charge and the new direction (the direction it always should have been) I've re bought BoS, bought BoM, bought BoK, and will buy the new ones too .I've become a bit of a fan boy TBH.

When did the BoX decision makers realize that doing a PTO scenario based on Midway would be “really hard”?

Frogyy2, with mere speculation from my part I would guess the water-tech creating Kuban turned out very very complicated even creating Bodenplatte would be so significantly much easier they had to postpone the empty open blue water stuff.

Sometimes life is tough.

Pretty much my story as well.

Sometimes it comes down to customer base. This issue has already been raised in another post. If you view the projected “new” aircraft for the next (BoB) title you see more variations on staple offerings with a few new opposing types introduced to provide a variety of targets. I doubt there will ever be appetite for a PTO in the likely customer base. So why was the fantasy of a PTO scenario ever floated?

This is my only concern for the small RoF plane set import. Have there been any decent AI upgrades since RoF? AI can always be improved, but is it better than "Split S dive to the deck and then turn in endless circles at low altitude until shot down?"

Well, I have to admit that Operation Bodenplatte raised my eyebrows. I sure as Hell wish that it wasn't going to be seventy bucks, though. Mustangs and Thunderbolts and Lightnings done with the incredible attention to detail that I've seen in the Russian Front screenshots. Oh Momma. I'll be awfully tempted! What does "Collector" mean? You have to pay extra for that one? I guess I could live without the P-38. A favorite, but what the Hell. Plenty of other airplanes. And that P-47 will help to lighten the blow! Wasn't expecting them to do this. Okay....I'm interested, Jason!! And WW1? These guys have been busy.

There will probably be a 'standard' edition for $49.99, but that won't come with the P-38 or D9 FW. You can buy them separately later. I usually just buy the standard editions, or even better, in a sale, but will stump up the 70 bucks for Bodenplatte. It's probably a year away so plenty of time to save up if money is tight.

That is the preorder price! it will be MORE on release lol.



It's not about the price! it's the principal. Games these days are getting to expensive for what they give you. There is no way I'd pay 80 bucks for a few planes and....

*looks at his iRacing account and StarCitizen account and his DCS account and all those FSX planes...*

Well, maybe 80 bucks isnt so bad...

Exactly. I'm more annoyed at the money I feel I've thrown away for DCS to be honest, and as for Star Citizen...

"Collector planes" was that planes included in initially Premium edition of BoS and BOM - that came with 10 planes, but are not include in Standard edition that came with 8 planes.

Owners of Standard edition could buy this extra for $20 each.

Special cases is Ju-52, not included in any premium version - was released after BoM, is only available standalone for $25.00, and received the "Collector Plane" name - now applied to all optional planes.
Same for BF 109 G-6 and La5FN, not planed for BoK, but released after as players request.

This "collector Planes" can be used in any of Bo'X map, regardless "historic" there or not (in MP is host decision use), trend started with that "Fw 190 over Stalingrad".

Could future plans described in today’s announcements have adverse effect on CloD development schedule?

No, CLoD was never attached to this version of IL2 and is now owned by the team fusion mod team. These plans for the current IL2 should not affect any aspect of CloD except maybe in a competition means.

49.99 does sound a bit more reasonable. The airplane that's exciting me about the whole thing is just the P-47, anyway. That's probable less than the DCS P-47 will cost, and there you'll just be getting the single airplane. That's it. So here I'll be getting my Thunderbolt, campaign, map and a half a dozen other planes.
But you say it's probably a year away. Guess I got a bit ahead of myself and assumed sooner. Yeah, I'm probably going to wind up getting this. Haven't bought a new flight sim in years. I'm due.

Not sure where your info comes from. How does TFS own CloD?

Didn't they buy the rights to the game engine (around april th is year) which got them access to the source code so they can release their Fusion mod as a stand alone/DLC?

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/271/1c-game-studios-cooperate-team-fusion-il-2-sturmov/

maybe, "own" isnt the right word but they have an agreement with 1C about it. They are the only ones working on CloD with the current IL2 BoX team having nothing to do with CloD.

TF and 1C/777 are totally different self contained teams working independently. With their own project plans.

Yes TF have access to the code of CloD and it was 1C that gave that access and may be advising, but CloD and BoX are completely different sim engines.

just not sure how you can speak with authority on the subject of TFS

CloD engine is property of 1C, that early in this year decide allow Team Fusion officially use this code, under agreement and make future DLC - to be commercialized under 1C management.

That is the way I thought the relationship works, thus my concern.

Given that you know how TFS is structured, what are your concerns that what 777 are doing will have an adverse effect of CloD ?

They are 2 independent teams, how would what 1C/777 are doing with BoX affect what TFS are doing with CloD.

I suppose the crunch time will come just over a year from now, when both Bodenplatte and TF5 will be released. Not forgetting ROF II, which should be epic. Of course by then the BoX devs will have already said what their next release will be after Bodenplatte. Much as I love Cliffs, the pace of development is just too damn slow.

Don’t forget the tank sim. PTO was too tough but juggling multiple development tracks is np. Where are those resources that could not be allocated to a PTO going to come from?

Good question Frogyy2, one could easily think Jason isn't really in charge but as a producer he needs to produce what those actually in charge decide to put on the market.

How the 1C/TFS relationship works idk. More importantly, I do not pretend to know. For sure however a PTO would represent an incredibly poor mesh with other offerings, either current or proposed and so I think was a fantasy from the start. For the foreseeable future buyers need reason to buy existing dlc. Expect a Battle of Berlin.

"Don’t forget the tank sim. PTO was too tough but juggling multiple development tracks is np. Where are those resources that could not be allocated to a PTO going to come from?"

Well, I don't have the Russian Front sims, but aren't the tanks already there? It would just be a matter of giving them interiors. And for Bodenplatte, the German planes are already flying in the other sims. So is the Spitfire 9. The terrains can't be all that different from the Russian scenery they've gotten so good at building. They can probably knock that stuff out with their eyes closed. I can see why they'd take the easier route, right now, to get more stuff out to the public. With the Pacific, you're really starting from scratch. The ocean, ships, jungles. A entirely new plane set , of which not a single aircraft has ever been done by them. I'll tell you the truth, I'm kind of excited about this. I've never been completely happy with any P-47 that I've had in a combat flight simulator. I'm really looking forward to that. And I've been tempted to jump into the Ii-2 world every time you guys show those screen shots. This one is gonna do it for me, I think. I, for one, am not unhappy with the move.

Yea, the tanks are already in and are fun to drive but they dont have multicrew and they use a HP system and just explode. There is no advanced damage model like the planes have. Im not sure how much work it would be to get then up to plane fidelity but probably not THAT much more since most of the groundwork is already in engine. The big thing would be creating an atmosphere where the tanks are worth playing and fun. I really hope they allow the boats too at some point and when the PTO comes out allow setting waypoints for the ships and manning the aa guns etc.

I'm liking the direction this sim is going (and am still looking forward to the Pacific) and actually would also have enjoyed some heavy bomber action from 43/'44' with B-17's, Lancs, Liberators, escorts, defenders (day and night fighters). Will likely preorder Bodenplatte once pre-orders hit Steam as I like what I've played in BoS/BoM lately. I have just recently returned to playing it (since late August) and have been enjoying it way more now than when BoS was first released.

Preordering.

These guys have always delivered on time and what they promised. Their early attitudes with dissent and questioning was dumb, but they seem to be listening to the community now.

And love the idea of a bit of late war tempest action.

I'll tell you something... the sound of a Sabre engine is very distinctive and unique. It will be interesting to hear what they come up with

"Preordering.

These guys have always delivered on time and what they promised."

Yeah, I'm thinking that when my wife says, "So, what do you want for Christmas?" I'll tell her to preorder this for me. Better than something I'm never going to use, or wear.

I pre-ordered as well, Bodenplatte and the two collector planes to show my support.
I am not real excited about the tanks that will eventually be coming, I do look forward to flying some of the ROF planes in VR though - good to see them get some love.

I am very disappointed in the the lack of a PTO sim. I will probably still purchase Bodenplatte at some point (always rather fly for the Allies than the Germans or Russians), but the WWI and tank sim are not that interesting too me. Despite buying the complete ROF, I just could never get in to WWI flying that much.

Ordered Bodenplatte and the two new bonus planes. It’ll be right around the area where I learned to fly, Southern Netherland and Belgium. Also got the Ju52, somehow never got arround doing that. Gotto finance these guys so they can built us more toys. PTO is just delayed so no biggie there. Hopefully they make it PTO with carriers and an Island campaign like Guadalcanal. With the P38, P39, P40, P47 and P51 they only have to make the Navy birds and the Japanese opposition. I would’ve bought the ROF update also just for the VR alone. They’ve been moving in the right direction here evere since they got rid of the wobbly AI flight models a while ago. Also, the later PTO arrives the more computer power we’ll have to support life like ground crews on the ships. This is now one of the games I show VR off. Put someone in the open cockpit of the Rata and they’re in awe. Even folks that have no intrest in aviation get a kick out of it.

"With the P38, P39, P40, P47 and P51 they only have to make the Navy birds and the Japanese opposition."

Only. HooBoy! Big job. The P-47, P51 and P-38L will have no place in either a Midway or 'Canal sim. American and Japanese naval aircraft, warships, jungle terrain, and let's not forget The Pacific Ocean all need to be built. You won't see this 'til late 2019. If that. But I'm getting my Thunderbolt. And I just know it's go it's going to beautiful. I'm not unhappy.

And I just took a deep breath and pre-ordered. I don't think I've ever pre-ordered a game. Not that I can remember, anyway. But, I know they're gonna deliver.

Wonder if P47 & P51 will come with groundloops pre-installed.