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#4389334 - 11/12/17 08:13 PM Dodge Challenger Demon  
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I’m officially old. Well, I’ve said that for at least a decade so I guess it’s obvious.

But: Want to know how you get a bunch of people killed? Put them in a street legal car that does a quarter mile in 9.65 and 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.

https://www.dodge.com/demon.html

As a lawyer, I suppose I should relish this as a business opportunity. However, this is just nuts. This thing, in the legal sense, is unreasonably dangerous and inherently unsafe from the get go.


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#4389339 - 11/12/17 08:54 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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yup. good thing its an auto matic...there would be no time to shift gears smile


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#4389340 - 11/12/17 09:00 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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Somewhere there is a 16 year old about to get one for Christmas. What could possibly go wrong.

It is pretty cool though.

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Originally Posted by Airdrop01
I’m officially old. Well, I’ve said that for at least a decade so I guess it’s obvious.

But: Want to know how you get a bunch of people killed? Put them in a street legal car that does a quarter mile in 9.65 and 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.

https://www.dodge.com/demon.html

As a lawyer, I suppose I should relish this as a business opportunity. However, this is just nuts. This thing, in the legal sense, is unreasonably dangerous and inherently unsafe from the get go.


I notice you don't have a link to the Tesla website...they can do 0-60 in 2.3 seconds as well. They have been quicker than about all Detroit muscle cars before the Demon came out. I'm guessing they get a pass because
of the cultural differences of the people buying them?


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#4389362 - 11/12/17 11:45 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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Eh, it's still got bumpers, side impact beams, seat belts, air bags, crumple zones...
That's practically bubble wrap compared to stupid kids that don't respect motorcycles properly. Plus, they gravitate to sport bikes that are just as fast and only cost a few thousand.


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#4389363 - 11/12/17 11:51 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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While not nearly as powerful, I actually think the vintage muscle cars were more dangerous, no brakes, no handling, bouncy suspensions, vague steering etc

#4389381 - 11/13/17 02:44 AM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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I'm not anywhere near as concerned about the people driving them as I am for the other people around them. At least the motorcycle with that kind of number is going to kill himself only.... I can imagine some rich kid getting this thing for his birthday. I don't want to be anywhere near the street that day.

I mean, my Mustang will do a 12 flat quarter mile, and that's pretty salty for that car. But I won't do it unless I'm at the track. Some fool is going to run that thing down a side street and kill himself and three or four of his best friends on homecoming. Then his parents will wonder where they went wrong.

Force, I don't know any Tesla owners, honestly. I also don't know what the "Tesla culture" is.... Is it like New York or something?

Anyway, I doubt a Tesla can do a 9.6 quarter mile. That's the number that's frightening.

EDIT: The fastest Tesla I just saw on 1/4 mile was like 10.5. That's a big difference. Also, I think that's around a $150,000 car. And....I don't think there are going to be a rash of teenagers running out to get a Tesla (I guess if that's what you mean by cultural differences).

Personally, you wouldn't catch me dead in a Tesla. I like the idea. But I also like the fun of a good old fashioned muscle car. A Tesla is about as "automobile" as a C130 is a stealth fighter. But, yeah, if Teslas are on the road doing that, then that's just as nuts.

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#4389395 - 11/13/17 04:28 AM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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A friend of mine bought a 2017 Z06 Corvette a few weeks back, it will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. He actually let me drive it and I can honestly say that I would loose my license (or worse) within 6 months if it were mine.


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#4389419 - 11/13/17 06:27 AM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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Originally Posted by Airdrop01
And....I don't think there are going to be a rash of teenagers running out to get a Tesla (I guess if that's what you mean by cultural differences).



The Demon costs 90k...I don't really know of too many teens that have 90 thousand to spend on a car. I think both vehicles are in the same group (have to be rich to buy one).


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#4389518 - 11/13/17 08:47 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
A friend of mine bought a 2017 Z06 Corvette a few weeks back, it will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. He actually let me drive it and I can honestly say that I would loose my license (or worse) within 6 months if it were mine.


He should have waited for this.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/11...e-zr1-is-gms-most-powerful-car-ever.html


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#4389528 - 11/13/17 10:20 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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Can’t have too much horsepower.


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Can’t have to much horsepower.

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Sure can have too much if the vehicle can't turn.


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#4389710 - 11/14/17 10:19 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: JimK]  
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Originally Posted by JimK
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
A friend of mine bought a 2017 Z06 Corvette a few weeks back, it will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. He actually let me drive it and I can honestly say that I would loose my license (or worse) within 6 months if it were mine.


He should have waited for this.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/11...e-zr1-is-gms-most-powerful-car-ever.html



That will be a $120k or more car, my friend got his Z06 for "only" $97k.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by JimK
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
A friend of mine bought a 2017 Z06 Corvette a few weeks back, it will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. He actually let me drive it and I can honestly say that I would loose my license (or worse) within 6 months if it were mine.


He should have waited for this.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/11...e-zr1-is-gms-most-powerful-car-ever.html



That will be a $120k or more car, my friend got his Z06 for "only" $97k.


Never know, they might give him a deal on a trade-in.


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#4389750 - 11/15/17 01:53 AM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Sure can have too much if the vehicle can't turn.

If you cannot brake while airborne, steering isn't much of a priority.

#4389807 - 11/15/17 01:36 PM Re: Dodge Challenger Demon [Re: Airdrop01]  
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I have a question for you drag racing guys out there... I was looking through this weeks copy of "Autoweek" and on the inside cover there is a copy of a NHRA letter telling FCA US LLC (DODGE) that the Demon ran on a NHRA track in Gainesville on Nov. 16th 2016 exceeding the limits on 2008 OEM model-year and newer production cars. Those limits are 9.99 seconds and 135 mph. Therefor the car must be brought into compliance before running on a NHRA sponsored track again. Then on the next page is a pic of a red Demon launching with the front wheels off the ground. The tag line is, "SORRY. NOT SORRY." and "DEMON, Officially Banned by the NHRA".
I understand the add and the Vin Diesel add campaign about breaking the rules. blah, blah, blah


Why does the NHRA set limits on production cars?

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Falstar, they have limits on class, I believe, because the idea is to have classes, with the cars in whatever class, say stock, super stock, etc. subject to limits which in theory in the end make it so winning or losing depends on the driver. (Ie at the limits of the class)

I’m not a drag racer other than for fun (as in how you go to the track and race on open days) so it’s possible I’m not giving the full “NHRA” answer.



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