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#4384409 - 10/11/17 04:50 PM Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update  
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I did these skins back when I made the MiG-29 skins , they share the same weathering design elements.

I waited for the developer to fix an HDR bug, but that is apparently not yet fixed, no matter - the bug only appears when the gears are down in DS settings

So there is no reason then to delay anymore, since they are all done - I hope to release them quickly as free time allows

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http://www.lockonfiles.com/files/file/2731-dcs-fc3-su-27-flanker-in-su-35-dark-grey/

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#4384413 - 10/11/17 05:46 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Did you do anything to make them look better with the new lighting? Things look a bit too shiny with the PDR update.

#4384414 - 10/11/17 05:54 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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it is a matt finish now - the same as I used in the MiG-29, although in the MiG-29 there was an option for glossy, but I did not do make one for the Su-27.

#4384516 - 10/12/17 11:56 AM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Tom, do you refer to the specular maps channels??...since yesterdays update, I have noticed that they messed again the RGB channels attributes for the 33 and 27 and thus my corrected speculars are not working as good as before. Also, I tried to make them look good again but I couldn't as it seems like there is some bug? which makes metalic reflection to be "linked" to specular shine in the same channel (red this time) so there is no way to adjust shine and reflection separately and thus, the 27 and the 33 have that "glossy" look now...do you think this is a bug?, I think so as blue and green channels do NOTHING now...


thanks for your fine work mate!!


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#4384542 - 10/12/17 02:20 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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smile

it looks like they have already changed or added code for 2.5 - that is why things don't seem to work as well as they should


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which makes metalic reflection to be "linked" to specular shine in the same channel (red this time)


some change was made there - the gear and the inside of the intake are all highly reflective now, even more than before.

#4384856 - 10/13/17 09:54 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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tomorrow I'll upload the Russian and Ukrainian versions

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#4384911 - 10/14/17 02:39 AM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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#4384998 - 10/14/17 08:33 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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#4385053 - 10/15/17 11:43 AM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted by Tom_Weiss
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it looks like they have already changed or added code for 2.5 - that is why things don't seem to work as well as they should


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which makes metalic reflection to be "linked" to specular shine in the same channel (red this time)


some change was made there - the gear and the inside of the intake are all highly reflective now, even more than before.



yeah, but I'm refering especially to the glossiness, there is no way to get rid of it without ending with a full matte finish...I think that the way the material shines is configured through 3DS and then adjusted in the specular maps so no way to changed this once it's been changed in 3DS right?...damn, it looked soooo good before banghead


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#4385065 - 10/15/17 03:26 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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I've changed it already 3 or 4 times already as well biggrin

#4385101 - 10/15/17 07:34 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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#4385751 - 10/19/17 09:47 AM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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#4385793 - 10/19/17 02:48 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Top work! thumbsup

#4385993 - 10/20/17 06:43 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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#4386149 - 10/21/17 05:04 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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#4386220 - 10/22/17 02:35 AM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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I normally really like your work but the negation of any glossy shine looks really wrong.
Now the SU looks like a 2D model (say ithard).
Please take a look https://www.airplane-pictures.net/type.php?pg=2&p=1457&order=screen_timestamp
Even a matte painting on a Su27 has much more glossy than your Su27 skins.
For me it looks wrong.

#4386236 - 10/22/17 10:23 AM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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I took all screenshots in DS setting - which I don't know if it is as popular as HDR

switch to HDR settings then, it looks like this:

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I have but the most superficial understanding of how DCS works - but I am sure that DS is sort of the new default, so the skins were made to work in both HDR and DS

my guess is also that they aim for models to look like this in flight :

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I suppose that the developer still has not completely implemented DS in all models or it is still tweaking it, when 2.5 is out, I'll be able to set it better, until then, I am using a more forgiving specular map that can work with all the changes that take place from update to update.

personally, I still find HDR better than DS for all models as far as reflections go , although the terrain looks much better in DS.

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#4387090 - 10/28/17 04:41 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Hello Tom,

HDR is always on and your screens looking (for me) completely wrong. A paint will always reflect light with a littel bit of shine and glossy. Only if you powder an object it will not be glossy. But powder wouldn't stick a second on a plane.
The last (Japan?) picture has a really bad quality and doesn't reflect the real behavior about shine and glossy in any way.
If you follow the link I've postet you would see how much glossy and shine is left even at bad weather conditions.
You will never get any paint that would negate all reflection like in your DCS picture above. It looks like it's absorbing any kind of light.

Here are some Pictures you should look to see the difference.

https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/778724/58-ukraine-air-force-sukhoi-su-27/
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/772177/58-ukraine-air-force-sukhoi-su-27/
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/771320/58-ukraine-air-force-sukhoi-su-27/
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/574681/rf-95943-russia-air-force-sukhoi-su-27/
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/577474/06-russia-air-force-sukhoi-su-27/

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#4387093 - 10/28/17 05:03 PM Re: Su-27 Skin DCSW2 update [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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download any of the skins and give it a try, my DCS screenshots for some reason tend not to look as good as they are in game because of the way HDR works.

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