#4385420 - 10/17/17 08:41 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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In all fairness they have to deal with a speed of the world that we were never subjected too growing up. Our childhood interests and what's "cool" lasted at least a year,
There's a lot of confusion in the young and also a lot of confused parents.
Excellent points sir. Possibly, if their life wasn't so cluttered with social media drivel they'd have some time to breathe....and think...and learn.
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#4385421 - 10/17/17 08:50 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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Thanks.
I see a huge problem in the way we are going towards an "attention economics" society. Our problem is not that we have too little of something, but so much that all these companies and people are constantly battling for our attention because they need to sell their crap over the other 100 competitors. Which means the level of mental background noise these days is insane if you are under 25.
Advertising is driving social media. I don't mean the Ads on Facebook, I mean the way that teens try to shape their identity by following the "cool people". Of which a million is made new every other months sponsored by big brands. Instagram Stars only wearing Addidas etc.
Now, I haven't been a teen in the 80s, but I imagine back then you had some "cool people" (Musicans, Actors...) and that was that. You got to see them on TV, every now and then in the cinema or at a concert. Read some magazines about them. Then you got a cool car, sorted out your hair and were set for a year or three in your identity. That gave you time to work out other stuff.
The other part of the story - as I wrote in my initial post above - is that I learned to use a Tape Measure from my Dad. In a functional family, owning a house, building stuff with him. How many 20yo Urban Youths today have not had that chance?
So yeah, it's pretty easy (and entertaining) to make fun of the Millenials. And Hipsters. And all those other assorted groupings. But underneath that and the video above is a real story about changing society.
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#4385427 - 10/17/17 10:25 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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I have to admit I actually learned something in the tape measure video... I didn't know about the case length bit. Shoulda known. I spent 9 years installing satellite and cable tv.
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#4385431 - 10/17/17 10:41 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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Have they come up with a name for the generation after the Millennials ? Generation Z, those born from roughly 1996 to 2010. I don't know what the one who come after them are called, Generation ZOMGWTFBBQ maybe?
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#4385488 - 10/17/17 05:24 PM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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My son once asked, when he was in school, why he had to spend so much time learning fractions. He was introduced to a tape measure and it actually helped him understand them. What's between the 3/8" and 1/2" mark?
A lot of this "dumbing down" of handyman skills is due to a variety of factors:
Urbanization - more and more people live in cities proper, where fixing things is the purview of a landlord. There's a lot less to tear up in an apartment. When I lived in an apartment I left the tools in the truck, as they weren't needed anywhere else.
Complexity of mechanics - I just rebuilt my VW engine, and it was very straight forward, and once reassembled, hung back onto the aircraft and started right up. It's 1930's technology, though. To do the same in my 2008 F-150, with electronics and sensors for everything would be much more daunting. It's actually cheaper and simpler to replace the whole vehicle if the drive train goes into death throws. Heck, my son's old Ranger has a problem with the anti-slip brake sensors/electronics/something and I'm dipped to know how to fix it, so it'll go to the shop. Hell, it could be some computer code in the chip somewhere.
Hell, I could repair electric typewriters back in the day if they stopped working. Laser printers? Not so much.
Fatherlessness - We're seeing three or four generations of men and women in a row being raised without a full time father. Yes, it's totally sexist, but men generally fix things, and my son learned to use tools because I used them around the house. Now, then, I was raised without a father, but one generation doesn't matter, as the women around me let me know that men need to know how to build and fix things, because that's what they were used to. There isn't a tradition of men fixing things after a few generations.
Replace Instead of Repair - an unintended consequence of the "modular repair" philosophy of WWII, where it was learned that replacing whole component assemblies rather than repairing individual pieces was far more efficient and effective. It spread throughout manufacturing and repair in the civilian world. The extreme of this is that the thought of taking apart and fixing an engine starter is laughable now, but I definitely remember helping do that. Today one just buys a whole new starter. If the washing machine is broken, we just buy new ones. If we want new cabinets, we buy whole new cabinets, and have them installed.
The Hex Wrench - it comes with the furniture and is all one needs to build a table/chair/closet installation.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4385563 - 10/18/17 12:01 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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What's between the 3/8" and 1/2" mark? ~8mm. Everyone knows that! Urbanization - more and more people live in cities proper, where fixing things is the purview of a landlord. There's a lot less to tear up in an apartment. When I lived in an apartment I left the tools in the truck, as they weren't needed anywhere else.
It's a sad reality but being able to buy a home is not a reality for a lot of people, especially in my generation. Complexity of mechanics - I just rebuilt my VW engine, and it was very straight forward, and once reassembled, hung back onto the aircraft and started right up. It's 1930's technology, though. To do the same in my 2008 F-150, with electronics and sensors for everything would be much more daunting. It's actually cheaper and simpler to replace the whole vehicle if the drive train goes into death throws. Heck, my son's old Ranger has a problem with the anti-slip brake sensors/electronics/something and I'm dipped to know how to fix it, so it'll go to the shop. Hell, it could be some computer code in the chip somewhere.
Check the ABS rings on the half shafts. I had an '04 Escape with the ABS getting wonky because the geared ring on the right front shaft had cracked. Fatherlessness - We're seeing three or four generations of men and women in a row being raised without a full time father. Yes, it's totally sexist, but men generally fix things, and my son learned to use tools because I used them around the house. Now, then, I was raised without a father, but one generation doesn't matter, as the women around me let me know that men need to know how to build and fix things, because that's what they were used to. There isn't a tradition of men fixing things after a few generations.
Both parents have to work more and more to make ends meet in this day and age. There's only so many hours in a week and if both parents are spending 80+ hours at their jobs, it leaves very little time to raise the kids. Some of this is due to wasteful spending on unnecessary luxuries; some is due to poor time management; and some is due to people having children when they aren't ready to. Replace Instead of Repair - an unintended consequence of the "modular repair" philosophy of WWII, where it was learned that replacing whole component assemblies rather than repairing individual pieces was far more efficient and effective. It spread throughout manufacturing and repair in the civilian world. The extreme of this is that the thought of taking apart and fixing an engine starter is laughable now, but I definitely remember helping do that. Today one just buys a whole new starter. If the washing machine is broken, we just buy new ones. If we want new cabinets, we buy whole new cabinets, and have them installed.
The Hex Wrench - it comes with the furniture and is all one needs to build a table/chair/closet installation.
The flip side of this is if one is so inclined, repairing and/or making things is pretty straightforward if one has access to the 'net.
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#4385573 - 10/18/17 03:34 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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~8mm. Everyone knows that! If only you knew my pain of having an engine and parts that are a mix of Imperial and Metrics. I blame the French.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4385596 - 10/18/17 10:34 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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It's a sad reality but being able to buy a home is not a reality for a lot of people, especially in my generation.
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Depends where you live. Houses are relatively affordable in many areas (mostly in the South and Mid-West). As for your big cities like Boston, NYC, Miami, LA, San Fran, Chicago, etc. Yeah, forget it.
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#4385598 - 10/18/17 10:51 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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It's a sad reality but being able to buy a home is not a reality for a lot of people, especially in my generation.
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Depends where you live. Houses are relatively affordable in many areas (mostly in the South and Mid-West). As for your big cities like Boston, NYC, Miami, LA, San Fran, Chicago, etc. Yeah, forget it. What is the job market like in the South and Mid-west?
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#4385599 - 10/18/17 11:08 AM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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What is the job market like in the South and Mid-west?
It's actually quite good. That's why those regions are experiencing a lot of population growth. Texas is a prime example. The fundamental problems with the cities I mentioned in my previous post is that they all have inflated costs of living and high tax burdens.
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#4385624 - 10/18/17 03:13 PM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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What is the job market like in the South and Mid-west?
It's actually quite good. That's why those regions are experiencing a lot of population growth. Texas is a prime example. The fundamental problems with the cities I mentioned in my previous post is that they all have inflated costs of living and high tax burdens. Uh... Can't speak for everywhere, but in my little area in the midwest, unless you hold veteran status, forget about getting a decent job. You can find lots of $8-9 hour jobs, but the turnover for these jobs is high due to the local college; employers also tend to treat employees like crap because they know 100 other people are right behind you for that $8 hour. If you're a veteran, then you have a chance of getting a job at the local post -- if you can stomach how incompetent the personnel are there.
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#4385631 - 10/18/17 03:32 PM
Re: Home Depot video on how to use a Tape Measure
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Depends on the skill set and the income level one wants.
Here in Shelby County, Alabama, the median income is just under 70K a year, and houses cost around 150K, though one can buy one for much less.
In the greater Birmingham area, IT (of course), medical (Birmingham is one of the medical hubs of the Southeast), and a host of other jobs are here. On the lower end of the scale, manufacturing and other jobs are available. Heck, working in the lime companies pays pretty well, though it should. Caustic lye. Yuck.
Go up to Huntsville and the high tech stuff kicks in with NASA.
Cost of living, particularly housing, means that a lower paycheck goes just as far than a larger one with high real estate costs. A gallon of regular gas in California - $4.69 in Los Angeles. A gallon of regular gas in Alabama - $2.15 in Birmingham.
Plus we have Waffle House.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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