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#4380412 - 09/20/17 01:28 PM P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE  
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P-51D Cockpit Plans for Sale.

Hi Guys, this is a re-post from thread at DCS

WARNING - TONS OF PICS IN THIS THREAD. While they are Cockpit Porn... I don't believe they violate any rules here popcorn

UPDATED 9/20/2017 with Included Drawings List. See below.

P-51D Engineering Drawings List $39.95

[color:"Red"] Current Total Drawings Included - 220 (AND COUNTING) [/color] :thumbup:

The P-51D Engineering Drawings are made up of 65,580 individual Rivets, 15,333 Lines, Curves, Screws and Bolts, and 1,713 Graphics items like decals, stripes, access door markings, serial numbers, tail numbers, etc. This is to my knowledge the most complete and accurate set of P-51D drawings on the planet.

Included Drawings:

  • Front View gear down
  • Front View gear Up
  • Back View gear down
  • Back View gear up
  • Right View horizontal
  • Right View on the ground
  • Left View horizontal
  • Left View on the ground
  • Top View
  • Bottom View
  • All 3 Series of Propellers used



P-51D Cockpit Plan Drawings $49.95 (also includes the drawing set above)

The P-51D Cockpit Plan Drawings are made of up 55,933 individual lines, curves, nuts, bolts screws, etc. These drawings focus on the items contained between Fuselage Station 75.5 (Front Firewall to 216 (Back of the Cockpit Section of the Fuselage). This is to my knowledge the most complete and accurate set of P-51D drawings on the planet.

Included Drawings:

  • Large Size Cockpit Plans
  • Medium Size Cockpit Plans
  • Small Size Cockpit Plans


Fuselage Stations Included:

Station 75.5
Station 89
Station 104
Station 112.75
Station 116.625
Station 117.759
Station 122.25
Station 127.875
Station 127.935
Station 133
Station 143.437
Station 146
Station 155.5
Station 157.5
Station 164.125
Station 168
Station 184
Station 190
Station 200
Station 208
Station 216

Cockpit Items Included:

  • Front Windshield
  • Canopy
  • Main Instrument Panel
  • Main Instrument Panel Gauges and Dials
  • Main Instrument Panel Support Frame
  • Cockpit Upper and Lower Longeron
  • Cockpit Floor
  • Cockpit Base Assembly
  • Cockpit Base Support
  • Pilots Front Switch Box and Assembly
  • Left Switch Box Assembly (Radiator, Oil and Light Controls)
  • Armament Control Switch Box and Assembly
  • Oxygen System Diagram Plate
  • Aircraft Name and Serial Number Plate
  • Engine Limitations Plate
  • Flight Restrictions Instruction Plate
  • Pilots Control Pedestal
  • Carburetor Ram Air Control Levers and Knobs
  • Carburetor and Ram Air Filter Name Plate
  • Radiator Air Scoop Control Handle and Knob
  • Aileron, Elevator and Rudder Trim Control Wheel Assemblies
  • Aileron, Elevator and Rudder Trim Position Indicators and Panels
  • Flap Handle Control Lever
  • Flap Position Indicator
  • Flap Control Lever Detent(s)
  • Landing Gear Handle
  • Landing Gear Indicator Decal
  • Bomb Control Box
  • Bomb Control Handle Mechanism
  • Bomb Control Assembly Mechanism
  • Engine Throttle Control Handle, Knob and Assembly
  • Engine Control Quadrant Box and Assembly
  • Gunsight Range Control Handle and Assembly


Other Included Drawing Items:

  • 154 Individual Part Drawings including Cockpit Items like the Main Instrument Panel, Pilots Control Pedestal, Pilots Front Control Switch Box, etc (and counting)
  • 58 Assemblies Drawings
  • 32 Isometric (How To Assemble) Drawings
  • Complete Assembly Manual
  • And 1000’s of Dimensions covering all parts.


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If you’re looking for P-51D Mustang Cockpit Plans, look no further. I did the same as a lot of you guys and searched high and low for accurate P-51D Cockpit dimensions to make myself a pit. I finally gave up and bought the original P-51 A-D blueprints. On the DVD were close to 20,000 engineering drawings for all models. The problem was, so many “crucial drawings” and “assemblies” were either missing or just plain unreadable that it was frustrating.

I decided to painstakingly “re-draw” the pieces I needed from the information in the drawings. This was a daunting task and has taken me the better part of 6 months to complete, and I’m still doing some minor tweaks. The original drawings were not taken care of very well, and when they were digitized (scanned), whoever did it, didn’t bother to make sure the drawings were nice and straight on the scanner. Virtually all the drawings are skewed and or not in their original shape/size. If I rotated the horizontal lines to perfect 0,0 in the horizontal plane, then the vertical lines were not vertical, and visa-versa. Trying to “un-skew” old copies is a no-win situation. I ended up redrawing the parts needed for the Cockpits based on the dimensions and then customizing them for the cockpit plans.

The Full set of P-51D Engineering Drawings (PICTURES) is "http://imgur.com/a/MzfaO"


The Full set of P-51D Cockpit Plans are "http://imgur.com/a/focX7" -

You can get "EITHER" set of plans for $39.95 or BOTH sets of engineering plans (drawings) in AutoCAD 2013 format (DXF or DWG) or PDF format for $49.95

Below are a few example pictures.

Let me know what questions you have.

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Before anyone asks, I have to give credit to GeeDee and RaceGuy for their incredible P-51 Cockpit builds. It was their work that inspired me to create each of these drawings from scratch.

I used the original manufacturer's drawings for reference and dimension sizing and created each drawing in AutoCAD to be as exact and true to the original dimensions as possible. All of the Cockpit plans are designed to be manufactured with .5" and or .75" thickness materials, (Plywood or MFD), but it's up to you to decide what to build them out of.

All of these engineering drawings are "vector" drawing files, thus they can be scaled up or down to virtually any size you need, with no loss of detail or quality.

Let me know if you have any questions or PM me to order a set.

Thanks

Stang

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Hi Guys

Here is a little more information on the P-51D Cockpit plans and Engineering Drawings.


The original drawings were not taken care of very well, and when they were digitized (scanned), whoever did it, didn’t bother to make sure the drawings were nice and straight on the scanner. Virtually all the drawings are skewed and or "NOT" in their original shape / size. If I rotated the horizontal lines to perfect 0,0 in the horizontal plain, then the vertical lines were not vertical, and visa-versa. Trying to “un-skew” old copies is a no-win situation. I ended up re-drawing the parts needed for the Cockpits based on the dimensions, and then customizing them for the cockpit plans.

I also decided to draw the full-size P-51D with all the panel lines, rivets (over 65,000 Rivets), screws, decals etc. I did these drawings is several views. Front, Back, Left side, Right side, Top and Bottom. So many of the drawings out there are terrible when it comes to capturing the accurate lines, curves and details of the P-51. Most of the drawings I’ve seen online are simply a .JPG or another image file type, that you can do nothing with. All the drawings I completed are in AutoCAD, version 2013 standard of .DWG and DXF. I can convert them to other files types if you need, but I can’t guarantee that all the information will port over properly. If you’re using AutoCAD, you’ll get all the information perfectly.

Every piece drawn is in Full Size, so you can reduce them if you wanted to make a RC model or print them on a smaller scale.

I ended up with 3 Cockpits for the P-51D; Small, Medium and Large. I figured this would allow most people to build exactly what they wanted and had room for.

The Small Cockpit is 48.0” Long X 34.1875” Wide X 48.4375” Tall to the Top of the Front Windshield. If you decide to build without the Front Windshield then the Cockpit is only 39.75” Tall. These dimensions include the Floor and supporting Frame underneath.

The Medium Cockpit is 100.1875” Long X 34.1875” Wide X 48.4375” Tall to the Top of the Front Windshield. If you decide to build without the Front Windshield then the Cockpit is only 39.75” Tall. If you choose to add a Canopy, then the overall Height would be 53.6875”. These dimensions include the Floor and supporting Frame underneath. This size Cockpit is long enough to include the full-size canopy should you choose to buy or make that piece. It would also include the ability the slide the Canopy Open and Closed however, the back of the Canopy would hang over the rear of your Cockpit about 22”, making the total length with the Canopy open, 118.0”.

The Large Cockpit is 141.6875”” Long X 34.1875” Wide X 48.4375” Tall to the Top of the Front Windshield. If you decide to build without the Front Windshield then the Cockpit is only 39.75” Tall. If you choose to add a Canopy, then the overall Height would be 53.6875”. These dimensions include the Floor and supporting Frame underneath.

The Cockpits are all designed to be very strong, yet light. Most pieces are built from .5” or .75” plywood or MFD (your choice). The Canopy Sills are strong enough to support climbing in just like in real life. You can also add a hinge to the 104 Station Ribs and a “door catch” at the 133 or 146 Station Rib to create a Car door like effect. Your choice.

All the Drawings of the full-size P-51D including Top, Bottom, Front, Back and both side views with all the details.

All the drawings for all 3 sized Cockpits, Small, Medium and Large including both piece/part drawings and assemblies.

The original AutoCAD .DWG and DXF file formats. This will allow you to print, change and or add anything to the plans anyway you like. You will also have the “DXF” file if you would like to take the plans to a wood working shop that has a CNC Router, and get the pieces cut out for you. Otherwise you can print the pieces at a local print shop, then cut them out and paste them to the wood. Finally, cutting the wood pieces out yourself.

And when done, you'll have a super accurate P-51D Cockpit! :thumbup:

The only restriction is that you don’t give away or sell the plans.

Next up, I’m working on the Spitfire LF Mk. IX Cockpit and when that’s done, I’ll do the BF 109 K-4 and the Focke-Wulf FW 190 D-9.

If you buy the P-51D plans, you’ll get any of the other "cockpit plan sets for ($25.00).

PM me for more information or ordering.

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Hi Guys

Here are a few CAD Pictures from the Assembly Process for the Small to Medium P-51D Cockpit.

This shows just how easy it is to assemble the cockpit.

Easy Cheesy!

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Enjoy

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Let me know if you have any questions.

Stang out

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Here are a few pictures of the PDS Print files I provide with the AutoCAD files.

This can be printed at a local print shop at full size, then you cut the parts out, glue them to your material (MDF or Plywood), and cut out your parts. Easy Cheesy biggrin

These parts are for the Small and or Medium P-51D Cockpit

Let me know if you have any questions.

Stang out :thumbup:

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Hi Guys

I have just sent out a new CAD file to all those that got the plans.

In it, I've added a number of cockpit items like Pilots Control Pedestal, Landing Gear Handle, Main Instr Panel, Trim Control Knobs, Flap Handle, etc.

Here are a few teaser shots.

Stang out.

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Hi Guy

Here are a few more items that I finished up this weekend.

Radio, Switch Boxes and Stick are next. I should have everything in the cockpit finished up in a week or two.

Then I can focus on finishing up the Spitfire.

If you don't have AutoCAD, there is free CAD viewer/printer from Autodesk that works great and easy to use. I have all the drawings set up for printing so you should have no trouble.

Enjoy

Stang out

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Hi Guys,

Here are a few more items that I've finished up this week.

I'm also going to upload a list of all the drawings you get in the CAD package. It's a bunch for sure biggrin

Enjoy...Blue Skys Everyone

Stang out

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It's coming Krolski,

The Pilots Front Switch Box is done...scroll up and you'll see it.

Should have the others done by the weekend:thumbup:

Here's a few more that are ready

Enjoy

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Originally Posted by KROLSKI;3233236
Impressive job!
May I suggest a drawing set with only the main control sections. For example the pedestal, throttle assembly, front switch box and such.

This for people(including my self) who don't have the space to go full simpit crazy:)

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Another Weekend Update

Getting Close to having the Cockpit items done!

Enjoy

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Hi Guys

Massive Update this weekend for everyone that got the P-51D Cockpit Build Files.

Check your email for the new download link.

Here are some of the included parts in this update.

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Enjoy

Blue Skys Everyone

Stang out

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Oh, what the heck.

How about a few more before I call it a night.

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More comming next week.

Stay Tuned

Stang out

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Hi Guys

6 More Drawings Complete

Enjoy and let me know if I can help or answer any questions.

Stang out

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More comming, stay tuned.

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Weekend Hurrican Update

It's coming...stay tuned.

While we wait, here's some new drawings that are completed.

The Pilots Control Pedestal is now fully complete. 31 drawings for that alone! :thumbup:

Enjoy and Stay Safe.

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Hi Guys

While we wait on the Hurricane, here's a few pics of the completed P-51D Model Pilots Seat

Enjoy

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Blue Skys Everyone

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Here's a shot of the Assembled Seat Assembly.

It nice when CAD gets it right and everything assembles just like it's supposed to :thumbup:

Stang

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Ah, what the heck,

Here's an exploded view just for the fun of it. :thumbup:

Enjoy

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OK... The Seat is finally done.

Here are the last images of the completed P-51D Seat.

Enjoy

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Here are the first drawings of the Rudder Pedals.

The Engineers must have been screwing with the Machinist because these things are WAAAAY too complicated. They have more moving parts than the F-16 Rudder Pedals. :surprise:

These drawing are just the Fork that holds the pedals....crazy complicated :doh:

Enjoy

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Hi Guys,

Here are the Pilots Rudder / Brake Pedals

Left and Right are identical with a few noted exceptions.

The P-51D Engineering Plans are now up to 221 Drawings included with the set.

Enjoy and let me know if you have any questions.

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The Rudder Pedals are complete!

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Hi Guys,

Here are a few new drawings and a couple of updates.

Thanks to Ed "RaceGuy" at A2A, and Greg "Viper16" over on RCU, we tweaked the stick length a tad to get it right.

Also, since there are no drawings that I can find on the P-51D Pilots Control Stick Handle - B-5, I decided to draw some up. I got a lot of reference data from "LocNar" over at SimHQ. He has a real P-51D B-5 Handle and took some great photos with caliper dimensions. This was a HUGE HELP and all the thanks go to LocNar for his pictorial. I did have to extrapolate some of the radius' and lengths, but I was able to use the photos and dims to work everything out. I'm sure the drawings are not perfect but they are the closest thing that is available, that I'm aware of anyway.

Let me know what you think.

Enjoy

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Here are a few reviews from some of the guys that have the plans.

Please let me know if you have any questions.


REVIEWS BELOW

"HI Stang

Fantastic plans! I wish these had been available when I built my P-51 cockpit as they would have made my project much easier.

Again, great job.

Ed"



"Wow, terrific job Stang. As someone who works with engineering and knows Acad fairly well I can tell that this must have been a huge job. It looks very well done and detailed.

I am looking forward the bf109 and fw190 plans

VO101 MMaister"


"Hi Guys
I bought the 51 plans from Stang he is a mechanical engineer.
His originals are in a cad program but he has provided them to me in PDF.
The CAD can be taken to a cabinet shop that has a CNC and have them cut,
but I intend to take the 1:1 PDF's to a print shop then cut the parts myself.
All I have to do now is lay them out on the material of choice and cut away. No
more trying to read blurred 70+ years old recopied microfiche plans.
At this point, he does not have the prints of the left side console or the right side switches
and etc, but will be providing them later.
Real nice and professional guy to deal with.
Tom - "N743TC""


"I just received my set of drawings today and all I can say to those who buy them....you get way more than you paid for them. They are truly an awesome piece of work. I have just a small idea of how much work went in to these as I was trying to do the same thing only I gave up out of frustration because of the poor quality of original drawings. Thank you Stang for all your hard work on the P-51 drawings. After seeing these I have no doubt the rest of the planes you are planning on completing will be just as good!
Bazooka"


"Wonderful to see this stuff shared with the community, really is awesome work 8)
cheers,
Lewis"

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Hi Guys

Huge Update going out tonight to all the folks that got the P-51D Plans.

Lots of new drawings. The TOTAL DRAWINGS INCLUDED is now up to 220 :thumbup:

I'm making good progress on the Spitfire Plans. I'll try to get the thread posted later this week.

The first picture below shows an overview of the P-51D CAD Plan Drawings you get.

Enjoy - more to come!

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Hi Lewis,

The P-51D Cockpit Engineering Drawings are available biggrin Check the very first post in this thread for info.

I also send out updates every week or two with all the additional drawings I have added.

This way you only have to open 1 CAD File to get to everything. There is a Free AutoDESK File viewer if you don't have AutoCAD. You can view and print the drawings you want from the free viewer.

The first picture in the post above shows the layout of the CAD file.

Each Cockpit Item has a line associated with all the parts for it. As an example, see the pictures below.

This makes it easy cheesy. All you do is look for the Item you want to build, like the "Pilots Control Pedestal". On that line is all the drawings associated with that Part.

The numbers at the far left side of the first picture below, denote how many drawings are in that Part. This is where the Total Drawings of 220 come from. Under each drawing, is a Part Number and the Item Description (IN GREEN). This allows you look up the actual part online should you want to.

Let me know if you have questions or ready to get the Plans.

I'm happy to help

Stang

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Originally Posted by "Lewis - A2A"
Great stuff. You should be packing this up and offering it up for download maybe in one easy zip for sim pit builders to download?

thanks,
Lewis

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#4382259 - 09/30/17 03:44 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi Guys

Working on the Major Part Assembly Locations today.

Have a great weekend.

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#4382371 - 10/01/17 03:07 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi Guys

Here is my lame attempt to get a pilot in the cockpit.

I know this is waaaaaay far from perfect. I am just trying to show the locations per the installed major components.

This has the pilot sitting on a cushion and having a back cushion. Through research, I am seeing that a lot of P-51D Pilots sat on as many as 3 small cushions depending on their height and the duration of a mission, with different parachute options. 8 hours is a long time in the cockpit.

You'll also notice in the picture, 3 Yellow Crosses. These depict the FFP (Firm Fixed Position) of Major components. There is one for the Rudder Pedal Attachment Point, one for the Seat Attachment Point and one for the Stick attachment point. I will provide a drawing with dimensions of these when finished, so the community will have the locations.

Thoughts?

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#4383601 - 10/06/17 09:03 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Thanks for the kind words KillRatio.

The Firm Fixed Points have always been an elusive subject.

Hopefully, the drawings below will shed some light on this.

These FFP's and Dims are for the Right Side only. Working on the Left Side and front.

Stang

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If you're considering building the small cockpit, here's the updated dimensions.

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#4383641 - 10/07/17 12:00 AM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hey Guys,

Please let me know if you see anything missing from the Right side.

I do know there is a Decal warning plate that goes just above the Emergency Canopy Release handle. I have drawn that up and just forgot to get it in place.

I'm sure I've overlooked something else though and appreciate your feedback.

Thanks

Stang out

#4384182 - 10/10/17 04:20 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi Guys

I have completed the Left side with the "Firm Fixed Positions". The Front Panel is next.

Same as before...I'm pretty sure I missed something.

If you notice anything I missed, please let me know.

Also, the Flare Gun Port is just a placeholder, I'll finish it up shortly.

Enjoy

Stang

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#4386216 - 10/22/17 01:05 AM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi Guys

Just getting everything laid out in the front section so I can get the Firm Fixed Points in place.

Still, lots of little do-dads to do and a couple to correct, but we're getting close.

As Always, your feedback is appreciated. Please let me know if you notice something missing, incorrect and or needs updating.

Enjoy and let me know if you have any questions.

Stang out

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#4389729 - 11/14/17 11:25 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi, Guys

I wanted to get out an update of the Cockpit Plans for the P-51D.

I have pretty much finished all of the drawings. There are few small items left but all the Switch Boxes, Cockpit Items, Ribs, Floor, Seat, Stick, Throttle, Instrument Panel and Base are completed.

I have been working on providing both the "original engineering" for the pieces in case you choose Aluminum to make your cockpit out of, and now the "new engineered" matching Wood pieces, with customization to fit the Cockpit plans. This way you're not left trying to figure out, "How the heck am I going to make that"? :doh:

I have also completed a series of "Tools" that will help in defining the Firm Fixed Points (FFP) with your Cockpit to make life a whole lot easier.

First Up below is the Completed Rudder Pedals with the "corrected" FFP. thanks to Ed "RaceGuy" for helping me get this sorted along with the Correct Adjustments.

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Next up the is the Reworked Rib Station Drawings. In the Pictures below, they are separated by the "Real P-51D Part" and the "Sim Cockpit Plans". This should make it easier to make your station parts and keep them as true to the originals as possible.

Here's the reworked Station 104, Left and Right Ribs. The drawings include the new Master Station and Reference Lines Tool (on the far left), with each part drawing, so you always have your "reference points" readily available while working with the part drawing.

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Next up is the last few Switch Boxes that are now completed. Now, all of the Switch and Instrument Boxes, Parts / Panels, and Pilots Pedestal are completed. :thumbup:

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Next up is the new Tool Series. The first one is the Master Reference Lines Tool, which provides the needed dimensions from the "Side View" point of reference. The second picture is the Master Front Elevation dimensions Tool.


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The next Tool is the Bottom Floor Reference Tool which provides the Dimension from the ground up, so to speak. The next one following is the Top Canopy Rail Tool which provides dimensions from the Top down. Then comes the Canopy Riser Tool. The Canopy Riser Tool gives the FFP's for the point where the Canopy meets the Windshield and its transition. Finally is the Station 75.5 Reference Tool. This is the Firewall of the aircraft and is the only Rib Station that is not purely vertical.


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Next, we move on to the Floor. The original Cockpit Plans have the Base Floor drawings in them, but these new drawings are based on the original engineering so, if you want a completely realistic P-51D Cockpit Floor, you'll need these. The first one is the completely assembled Floor Unit. Then there are a couple of the individual Floor drawings. All of the pieces for the original floor system are now complete.


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Lastly is a Master Frame Reference Drawing, as I have been asked several times about where the Main Instrument Panel is in relation to everything else. The MIP is actually located at Station 101.25 and Connected to Station 104 via an "L" shaped bracket.

More coming, stay tuned.

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#4389730 - 11/14/17 11:26 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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and just as a little teaser of what's close to done.... Anyone know what this is?

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Blue Skys Everyone.

#4389940 - 11/16/17 11:43 AM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Looks like one of these... smile

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#4390043 - 11/16/17 10:57 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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It sure does 453Raafspitty

Stang out

#4391360 - 11/25/17 09:07 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi Guys

I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was good.

I've had several questions about how I created the profile shapes for the P-51D as well as the Parts. Here are the answers and a few pictures to help with the explanation.

The exact shape of the P-51 was defined by its ordinates, which were finalized in a wind tunnel and then either destroyed or lost to history. What are ordinates? They are fixed points in space as they relate to the X, Y, & Z axis. The X-Axis representing the Horizontal plane, the Y-Axis representing the Vertical plane and the Z-Axis representing the depth plane.

Fortunately, I was able to find the coordinates used to define “most” of the Station 75.5 Firewall. The example below represents just 5 of the 35 2D points that were used to define that shape. Unfortunately, the ordinates in the drawing stopped about three-quarters of the way up for the part. The points below represent the 2D (Horizontal & Vertical) profile shape. In this example, the first number is the X Point (horizontal) by units and the second number is Y Point (vertical) by units, as they are measured from the defined starting point of 0,0 in space.

16.000,5
16.102,4
16.199,3
16.283,2
16.369,1
16.445,0

Here is what the Firewall Ordinates look like when plotted out in AutoCAD.

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Then since the 0,0 point is also listed as the “intersection” of the Frame Reference Line (FRL) and the Ships Centerline (SCL), I can then add in these lines by point 0,0. Then it’s an easy task for AutoCAD to Mirror those Ordinate Points on the right by the 0,0 location, to create the left side ordinates, as shown below.

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Now we come to the ENORMOUS PROBLEM. The complete "Ordinates" used for the P-51D overall profile have been either lost, destroyed or misplaced to history over the years. Fortunately, the Firewall drawing does tell me the vertical length of the part. This measurement provides the “missing” ordinate for the Top of the part. With that point, I can then add in the positions of the Upper and Lower “longerons” and then create a tangent curve from the Top Profile point to the existing side ordinates points, to complete the full profile shape shown below.

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Next, I can add in the Cockpit Plan’s Floor Location and Upper and Lower Longeron locations, and then finally the “Part” itself. In this case, I am showing the Station 89.75 Rib parts with the overall profile. Note, the ribs are based on the original rib drawing, then modified for the Cockpit Plans while retaining the original outside and inside profiles, as well as specific details per the original drawing for holes, curves, connections, etc. This is showed in the picture below.

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The complete ordinates for the P-51 A-C are available on old scanned drawings of very poor quality. When you are entering 1,000's of 5-digit numerical number sets, quality and readability are imperative for accuracy. Thus today, the only place I know where a true ordinate set exists, is on Hugh's Technote Site, where Huge recreated from the few readable ordinates across various drawings for the P-51A-C and then mathematically completed the rest.

The P-51 A-C and D models are "basically" identical from the Upper Longeron down. The P-51D's shape changes mostly above the upper Longeron. This means we can use the data from the P-51A-C for most of the shape. As of this point today, everything calculated above the upper longerons is an estimate unless you have a real P-51D available to measure for 3D points...which most of us don't.

The good news is that we do know several key measurements from the Ship Center Line and Fuselage Reference Line to the Top of the Firewall, Windshield Canopy Frame, Canopy Top and the Longerons Center line locations. These provide the data to replicate the part locations to a very precise point, which I estimate to be close to 99.9% accurate. The reasons we cannot get it perfect is because we don't have all the ordinates and many of the drawings contain errors in dimensions, as everything was done with a pencil, triangle and a scale ruler. This means the Cockpit Plans should be accurate to a minimum of 1/128th of an inch or better overall. This equates to 0.0078125 for you decimal guys out there, which is pretty darn close.

The last thing is the overall Top Profile of the P-51 is virtually straight from Station 75.5 to about Station 146, as shown in the pictures below. The main profile changes are above the Upper Longeron, which I have calculated with the actual part(s) dimensions, for everything above the Upper Longeron.

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Thus, with my Cockpit Plans, I am using the same outside profile for Stations 75.5 through 146. I do use all the specific data for the inside profile and mounting hole locations from the original parts for accuracy. This makes for easier building and ensures the shape accuracy.

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I hope that sheds a little light on the P-51D’s profile and how its represented by the Cockpit Plans.

Please let me know any questions you have and enjoy the weekend.

Stang out

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#4393716 - 12/08/17 12:41 AM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hi Guys

With this post, the P-51D Cockpit Plans are complete.

They now total 374 individual drawings, all with multiple views and dimensions. I will continue to update these if corrections or un-drawn parts are found. Time to focus on the Spitfire and the F-18 / AV8B.

Here are some of the final pictures.

With the help of Aircorps, I was able to get the missing ordinates for the "top" of stations 75.5 - 146 and now we have a complete and absolute accurate profile for all the rib stations. I have also included for Rib Stations 75.5 - 146, both the original engineering drawing and the Simulator Part drawing. This way you don't have to figure out how you're going to make the part from the drawing. It's all provided for you.

Enjoy and let me know if you have any questions.

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Stang out

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I have a Vet who wants me to build a P-51 cockpit for him . How can I purchase these plans? They look incredible! I've helped him rebuild him rebuild his current simulator, but he wants to do something more authentic. I'm new to this forum,and hoping for some help. Thanks


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At the risk of derailing your nice thread on the hard work you've put into putting together a comprehensive package for those with the skills, time and $ to build one of your impressive "pits" slightly, do you have any pictures of a finished pit yet?

If one of you has purchased and completed this project it would be really nice to see some snapshots of a finished version. Or even of work in progress, if that would be possible. Sorry for the slight OT, and thanks for listening.

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Does anybody know where to find copy of the P-51 plans I’ve tried contacting Stang but no luck!

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#4589417 - 01/15/22 03:33 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hello, I am very interested in the data. The link doesn't work? Are the CAD drawings still available? Thank you. Andreas

#4590261 - 01/27/22 03:38 PM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Swiss Andi]  
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Hi Swiss Andi,

The Cockpit Plans are still available.

Please send me a PM with your email address, and I'll send you the ordering information.

Thanks

Stang

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Hi Stang, I am interested in your CAD drawings. I tried to PM you but your PM's are over the allowed limit. Please let me know if they are still available.


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#4606310 - 08/19/22 07:38 AM Re: P-51D Cockpit Plans HERE [Re: Stang4Me]  
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Hello Stang, I'd like to buy the cad design.
Can you contact me, please?
It seems that you can't receive PM.

Thanks

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