#4365849 - 06/24/17 03:16 PM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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Not even close...I will stay with the original and skip this.
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#4369640 - 07/17/17 03:04 PM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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#4385753 - 10/19/17 10:29 AM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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Saw this last night, and I've had a few hours to digest it. I liked its vibe, but I have a couple of issues with it: Deckard is now confirmed as a replicant. This removes the mystery of Blade Runner (orig). I feel they could have maintained that. Blade Runner is now no longer a mystery to be discussed.
It looks like it's turning into another Planet Of The Apes, replicants vs humans. This is not what Blade Runner is about, Blade Runner is about what it means to be human, and if you replicate a human so well that it's impossible to tell the difference, then IS there any difference? Now, it's just one group against another group.
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#4385754 - 10/19/17 10:37 AM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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Those are some excellent points DM.
It's been my experience that sequels usually try to over-explain mysteries from the original film that should have been left unexplained and left up to the viewer to interpret.
A great example is 2001 and 2010. 2010 is a decent film but between explaining in great detail the reasons why HAL malfunctioned and Dave Bowman explaining to HAL and the crews of the Discovery and Leonov what was going on with Jupiter and the monliths, I felt that a lot of the wonderful mystery of the 2000-saga was lost.
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#4385757 - 10/19/17 11:42 AM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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Those are some excellent points DM.
It's been my experience that sequels usually try to over-explain mysteries from the original film that should have been left unexplained and left up to the viewer to interpret.
A great example is 2001 and 2010. 2010 is a decent film but between explaining in great detail the reasons why HAL malfunctioned and Dave Bowman explaining to HAL and the crews of the Discovery and Leonov what was going on with Jupiter and the monliths, I felt that a lot of the wonderful mystery of the 2000-saga was lost. Yeah you don't have to tell me about how newer films reduce the old films I have the same feeling about the newer Alien films. Basically I feel that these films took the alien out of Alien. The fist movie Alien set up an alien that was literally alien - a spaceship that bore no resemblance to anything invented by humans, a bio-engineered monolith that was assymetrical and incomprehensible. The alien pilot you could not tell where it ended and the ship began. A really, really alien design. But now - meh, big blue people invented it :/ and now a human engineered robot is commandeering the evolution. They made Alien human-centric, and thus destroyed its alienness. IMO natch
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#4385783 - 10/19/17 02:10 PM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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It hadn't occurred to me that's what was wrong with the Alien movies, but now that you say it, that's exactly what the problem is. It's up there with sticking an American in some historical fiction in a foreign country to save the day. Why infect what would've worked and been more believable and interesting? Did they say Deckard was a replicant and I missed it? I took it that reproducing was all part of how Rachael was different, that there could be hybrids, not just replicant reproduction like Wallace was interested in. That pairing with a human resulted in a compromised immune system, something that wouldn't matter to replicants, but for the human side could be fatal.
They definitely still question what life is, part of that just being that you believe you are. Gosling/K is fairly emotionless, never showing much sign of life until he believes himself to be the child and alive. Then he comes to life emotionally, seeming more human. When he finds out he isn't, he retreats again to replicant, although there may still be something more to him for future movies. I think they're saying life is a state of mind and self will.
Also, he cares for his AI, Joi, in a sense. The question becomes if she as a hologram could be a form of life...can code be exceeded, or was Joi's love for him and selflessness just part of her programming? She gives him the name Joe. Towards the end, she's gone. He comes across the huge nude holographic Joi advertisement that speaks to him. Calls him Joe. IMO, at that moment he sees Joi as having acted in line with her programming and had no life or real emotions. It no longer bothers him, she wasn't alive.
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#4386341 - 10/23/17 10:42 AM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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They all circle around the question of what makes us human. Is it the biology - or being sentient, and able to communicate? Then of course if you point out the different methods of procreation, they raise the bar by blurring the distinction even more - what, if they are virtually indistinguishable after the manufacturing process is complete, or what if they can procreate exactly like humans. It seems that pretty much all writers come to the same conclusion - that it is immoral to have sentient robot workers with a free will as slaves. Which, at the end of the day, boils down to the old question of just how awful slavery is (hint: very). A free will and self-awareness are key of course. Religious people will refer to it as a "soul". IMHO, once you have those two things you ARE human irrespective of how you were created.
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#4386448 - 10/23/17 08:32 PM
Re: New Blade Runner 2049 trailer released
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They all circle around the question of what makes us human. Is it the biology - or being sentient, and able to communicate? A free will and self-awareness are key of course. Religious people will refer to it as a "soul". IMHO, once you have those two things you ARE human irrespective of how you were created. I added ´the "ability to communicate", because it is an often overlooked but absolutely crucial ingredient. A sentient robot unable to break its programmed routines to, say, clean your household or to weld steel parts will never raise an eyebrow with humans about being "suppressed" if it cannot express itself. People will simply develop a blind spot/overlook that there actually might be a problem under the surface. We are world leaders in ignoring unpleasant truths.
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