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#4378048 - 09/06/17 07:09 AM SH4 new mod, FOTRSU  
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I just checked out Subsim for the first time in a long while and saw where the new supermod Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate was being developed. I downloaded it and have been tinkering around. So far, I really like what I see. I am curious...have any of you tried this and, if so, what are your thoughts on it?


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
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#4378106 - 09/06/17 03:18 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Hey there, how's things mate? Haven't tried it but have been following it at Subsim as well.

What's your take? What do you like about it? What stands out?


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#4378112 - 09/06/17 04:02 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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#4378115 - 09/06/17 04:21 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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I'm just re-visiting SH4 and am currently playing the Real Fleet Boat mod but I did notice this in the Subsim download section. I'd be interested in your thoughts on it although to be honest I'll probably grab it and try it out soon anyway.

*Edit* Just tried it and I'm getting an error as the game loads. Not sure what the problem is at the moment.I'll look into it later. I'm running the Steam version with the Wolves of the Pacific add-on.

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#4378150 - 09/06/17 07:21 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
Hey there, how's things mate? Haven't tried it but have been following it at Subsim as well.

What's your take? What do you like about it? What stands out?


Hey, DBond. When I first started messing with this mod I thought of you. I think you will like it.

My take: I have had it for one day and have already logged about 9 hrs in game. It is a Beta, so i expected it to be rough around the edges, but my impression is that it is very polished. I am nearly finished reading "Clear the Bridge!" By RAdm Richard O'Kane, so the tactics and experiences of his first 4 patrols in Tang are fresh in my mind. I have played RFB 2.0 with RSRDC exclusively since first modding SH4. I would recommend this mod.

What I like: There are many more ship types in the game. The world feels more alive. In my short patrol thus far, off Truk in 1943, I have encountered a variety of vessels. Encountered one Australian merchant while in transit. Have seen many sampans and fishing boats. The harbors are patrolled and defended, and seem to have more lifelike activity in general. For example, as I departed the pier at Pearl, I passed subs tied up to a tender, a hospital ship coming into port, another ship leaving, and many others docked within.

What stands out: The visuals and sounds. The first thing I noticed were the visual enhancements, which are really quite striking. The sounds have also been reworked with a lot more ambient noise, ocean sounds, people sounds, and crewmen giving commands, when diving, for example.

Originally Posted by Chucky
I'm just re-visiting SH4 and am currently playing the Real Fleet Boat mod but I did notice this in the Subsim download section. I'd be interested in your thoughts on it although to be honest I'll probably grab it and try it out soon anyway.

*Edit* Just tried it and I'm getting an error as the game loads. Not sure what the problem is at the moment.I'll look into it later. I'm running the Steam version with the Wolves of the Pacific add-on.


I have no complaints so far. I am using the same version as you are. All I did was use JSGME to remove all activated mods, then activated FOTRSU and it worked the first time.

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"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
1stLt. Clifton B. Cates, USMC
in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918
#4378154 - 09/06/17 07:37 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Thanks man. I'd like to fire some of those awesome torpedoes, yes indeed. It's interesting to think of the campaign in reverse. I'll have to give this a go.

What boat ya skipperin'?


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#4378177 - 09/06/17 09:21 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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@ VMIalpha45 That's what I did. In the FOTRS zip were 4 mod folders,I added them all. I then tried only adding the main one but still no joy. Maybe the download was corrupt,the error message said something about a missing menu ID.


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#4378207 - 09/07/17 12:20 AM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
Thanks man. I'd like to fire some of those awesome torpedoes, yes indeed. It's interesting to think of the campaign in reverse. I'll have to give this a go.

What boat ya skipperin'?


I've got USS Tunny (SS 282) this time around. The Gato model looks superb, in my estimation. There seem to be a lot of added details and I love the look of the Measure 32 paint scheme. I have not seen any of the other subs yet, aside from the four older boats tied up around the tender at Pearl.

I haven't encountered it yet, but they apparently introduced Japanese submarines as adversaries as well. And the campaign is supposed to be dynamic IIRC.

My only real action so far has been just off Truk Lagoon, I had staked out the western approach and caught a Japanese task force as it entered the lagoon. Fired all six bow tubes from around 2000 yds for four hits, one dud, and one miss. Three hits were on a Tone class CA, one hit on a Taiyo class CVL, and I suspect that is where the dud was as well. The cruiser sank. The explosions have been reworked and it was quite a sight to behold. Bright explosions and fire rocked her, followed by secondary explosions as well. I didn't linger, though, because the escorts were swarming like hornets. I dived deep and got out of there, haha.

Using the stadimeter has taken some getting used to but I like it, and based on what I have read it seems to be the way they really did it, so that's fine by me.

Originally Posted by Chucky
@ VMIalpha45 That's what I did. In the FOTRS zip were 4 mod folders,I added them all. I then tried only adding the main one but still no joy. Maybe the download was corrupt,the error message said something about a missing menu ID.


When I unzipped the compressed folder it created one folder in my downloads, and I copied and pasted that one folder into the MODS folder within SH4. My download was approximately 1GB. I hope you are able to get it sorted. You'll have to let us know what you think!


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
1stLt. Clifton B. Cates, USMC
in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918
#4378270 - 09/07/17 08:42 AM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Still no joy. I removed all mods.Verified files via Steam. Re-downloaded the FOTRS mod.

In the zip are 4 folders...

FOTRS V2.0 (the main mod)

FOTRS16zu9Format (Widescreen mod?)

FOTRS_Real_Periscope (self explanatory)

Real Environment FOTRS V2.0_byKriller (self explanatory)

The intros play but at the loading screen when it gets to the end of the loading bar I get the 'Missing menu ID' error.

Not sure what else I can do to be honest.

*UPDATE* Decided to try it on my gaming laptop.Same result.I give up frown

Last edited by Chucky; 09/07/17 09:38 AM.

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#4378339 - 09/07/17 02:03 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Originally Posted by VMIalpha454


I've got USS Tunny (SS 282) this time around.


Thanks, and I feel dumb, as I thought this was the one with Japanese boats.

Chucky, I don't know if this is your issue, but worth a look. The thing I find causes most problems with JSGME installs of mods is the file structure of the download. For example I sometimes see the extracted data as something like Data/Data/Mod name

That additional 'Data' layer causes the mod not to install correctly. It's been a while so I don't recall how they are named, but hopefully you get the gist.

Last edited by DBond; 09/07/17 02:06 PM.

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#4378349 - 09/07/17 03:11 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Thanks DBond,I just checked the file structure and it looks good,at least no different to the Real Fleet Boat mod and that works fine. This is a bit of a mystery. I may have to ask over on SubSim.


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#4378369 - 09/07/17 04:46 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by Chucky
Still no joy. I removed all mods.Verified files via Steam. Re-downloaded the FOTRS mod.

In the zip are 4 folders...

FOTRS V2.0 (the main mod)

FOTRS16zu9Format (Widescreen mod?)

FOTRS_Real_Periscope (self explanatory)

Real Environment FOTRS V2.0_byKriller (self explanatory)

The intros play but at the loading screen when it gets to the end of the loading bar I get the 'Missing menu ID' error.

Not sure what else I can do to be honest.

*UPDATE* Decided to try it on my gaming laptop.Same result.I give up frown


The file I downloaded was called "100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v0.63_PublicBeta_EN" and when unzipped it only contained three folders (Data, Extras, and Support), a readme, and two reference charts. Perhaps you downloaded the old FOTRS mod by mistake?


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
1stLt. Clifton B. Cates, USMC
in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918
#4378393 - 09/07/17 06:51 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Originally Posted by VMIalpha454


The file I downloaded was called "100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v0.63_PublicBeta_EN" and when unzipped it only contained three folders (Data, Extras, and Support), a readme, and two reference charts. Perhaps you downloaded the old FOTRS mod by mistake?


Wow! Thanks VMalpha,that seemed to do the trick. I noticed that the one I was trying to use wasn't the 'Ultimate' version. I just picked the wrong version,I fully lay the blame on my advancing years old_simmer

Thanks again for your perseverance guys smile

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#4378455 - 09/07/17 11:02 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: Chucky]  
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You're welcome, Chucky. I am glad you got it sorted. You'll have to let us know what you think of it when you get a chance!


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
1stLt. Clifton B. Cates, USMC
in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918
#4378535 - 09/08/17 05:16 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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I've had a couple of crashes (SH4.exe is not responding or similar) and I'm running Win 10. Anyone else seeing this? I'm trying compatibility mode (Win 7) to see if it stops,although I guess I should try Vista considering the age of the game.

Also,is there a mod that removes that damned annoying hull creak? I don't mind if I'm diving deep but at periscope depth?? I'm positive I saw a mod on Subsim for this but now I can't find it.

*edit* I just found the sound mod,unfortunately it was for SH5.

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#4378537 - 09/08/17 05:33 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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I switched to Win 10 in January, and sadly have yet to do any subbin'. However when I did (on Win 7), I found it essential to run a fix to increase the memory usage of SH4 when running any mods (RFB, TMO, Monsun, etc)

I do not know if this works with Win 10 yet, but it's wort a shot.

http://www.subsowespac.org/the-patrol-zone/give-silent-hunter-4-a-memory-boost.shtml

At first glance it looks more complicated than it is. Without this fix I would crash alot, especially near ports and when transitioning from in the sub to the bridge. It was certainly a memory issue.


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#4378555 - 09/08/17 07:29 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: Chucky]  
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Try the large address aware fix. There is a file explaining it within the Support folder. That's what DBond is referring to as well. I experienced a lot of crashes yesterday while in TC or near ports and wasn't able to end my patrol due to it. After applying this fix, the problem went away. I am using Win 10 and steam version of the game. I had to go online to the site referenced in the Support folder and download the application in order to apply the fix, and it took maybe five minutes. Good luck.


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
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in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918
#4378559 - 09/08/17 07:51 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Ok,I've done that. Fingers crossed!

*update* I've made it through 2 sessions so far!

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#4378756 - 09/09/17 08:24 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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What are your impressions of the mod so far, Chucky?


"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold."
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#4378863 - 09/10/17 06:20 PM Re: SH4 new mod, FOTRSU [Re: VMIalpha454]  
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Can anyone give a summary of the differences between this and TMO (or, for that matter, RFB)?

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