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#4375070 - 08/17/17 11:33 PM Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant & Now the USS John S. McCain Collides w Liberian Oil Tanker  
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Commanding Officer, Executive Officer and Master Chief Petty Officer relieved of command and more will likely face charges
"The US navy relieved the USS Fitzgerald’s captain of his command and other sailors were punished after the navy found poor seamanship and flaws in keeping watch contributed to the June collision"

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#4375540 - 08/20/17 11:43 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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rules of the road are not all that complicated and include not hitting another ship or being hit by one. I'm sure they have more advanced plotting than what we used in the 70's, some major failure there.


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#4375550 - 08/21/17 01:15 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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Seems it is for American warships.

Another collision.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...cain-collides-merchant-vessel/584808001/


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#4375552 - 08/21/17 01:50 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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All those who were supposed to be standing watch were probably in diversity training.


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#4375558 - 08/21/17 02:34 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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again?! this is just stupid

what is wrong with these crews? what is their problem?

#4375563 - 08/21/17 03:24 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: VF9_Longbow]  
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Originally Posted by VF9_Longbow
again?! this is just stupid

what is wrong with these crews? what is their problem?


WOW, Just WOW, stupid on the high seas. 10 missing.
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#4375568 - 08/21/17 04:38 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: VF9_Longbow]  
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Originally Posted by VF9_Longbow
again?! this is just stupid

what is wrong with these crews? what is their problem?


Fast ships and loose cannons don't mix.

#4375587 - 08/21/17 09:13 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
All those who were supposed to be standing watch were probably in diversity training.


Or relabeling the heads & berthing compartments for the 29 genders or lack thereof.


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#4375590 - 08/21/17 09:53 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Seems it is for American warships.

Another collision.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...cain-collides-merchant-vessel/584808001/



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President Trump, asked about the incident as he returned to the White House from a two-week working vacation on Sunday, said, "That's too bad."


Yeah, I'm sure that's all he said. cuss


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#4375602 - 08/21/17 11:57 AM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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Our navy men and women are looking like a bunch of idiots right now to the rest of the world. May God help those servicemen that are missing.

#4375606 - 08/21/17 12:09 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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Are these collisions more frequent than collisions that occurred during the 1990's or 1980's or is it just a case that all of these incidents get reported on now due to our 24/7 news cycle and internet world?


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#4375616 - 08/21/17 12:40 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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"The USS John S. McCain's sister ship, the USS Fitzgerald, almost sank off the coast of Japan after it was struck by a Philippine container ship on June 17"

when it rains it pours ? this time it was hit by an oil tanker

this could be the worst year for the U.S. Navy in a good while


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#4375628 - 08/21/17 01:12 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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Are these incidents happening near those mand made Chinese islands. Is merchant marine shipping being used to impede US Navy ships ? Something fishy going on.

#4375633 - 08/21/17 01:24 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Are these collisions more frequent than collisions that occurred during the 1990's or 1980's or is it just a case that all of these incidents get reported on now due to our 24/7 news cycle and internet world?


Think it's more to lack of proper training. Several captains have been removed in recent years from their posts after lack of discipline ranging from pushing the crew past their limits or leaving their posts when they should be on duty.

#4375634 - 08/21/17 01:26 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: LB4LB]  
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I served on a U.S. Navy destroyer and at times stood watch as "port lookout", "starboard lookout" and "helmsman". We once had a Junior Officer who was on the bridge as "OOD" = Officer of the Deck - either he or the Quartermaster goofed and got us too close to the shallows and the bottom of the ship hit a sand bar in the Caribbean.

they are not sure yet what caused this latest collision but standing a proper watch (that includes having binoculars) can be a critical factor. It is believed that the guy in the crows nest on the Titanic had no binoculars - if he had them he might have seen the iceberg in time


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#4375637 - 08/21/17 01:30 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: DaBBQ]  
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Originally Posted by DaBBQ

Think it's more to lack of proper training. Several captains have been removed in recent years from their posts after lack of discipline ranging from pushing the crew past their limits or leaving their posts when they should be on duty.



Thanks for that info. Now the question to ask is this lack of proper training due to budgetary reasons or due to changes in the overall culture of the Navy?

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#4375650 - 08/21/17 02:03 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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all aircraft and ships should have a standing watch 24/7.

we are not talking about a man sailing around in the pacific by himself in a 30 foot sailboat here, they have the resources to scrounge up 3 sets of binoculars and assign crew to stand short watches. they don't even have to be outside to do it.

heads ought to roll for letting this happen twice in the space of a few months.

and if you are a sailor or pilot this is another reminder of why you need to keep your eyes outside at all times unless you are completely blind due to weather conditions.

#4375652 - 08/21/17 02:12 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant [Re: Haggart]  
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Did these incidents happen at night? I don't think so because if so, we would be talking NVGs and not binoculars. So assuming these things happened during the day, how long does it take really for an oil tanker or any big ship to get from the horizon to right-in-your-face? Nobody noticed them during that length of time? Nobody made any evasive maneuvers? I'm thinking even if these things don't turn on a dime, won't being hard-to-port or hard-to-starboard for the past 5-10 minutes be enough to change course enough not to scratch the paint?

Sorry if I'm off here, no clue at all about the navy or big merchant ships, but just coming at this with some common sense.


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#4375655 - 08/21/17 02:16 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant & Now the USS John S. McCain Collides w Liberian Oil Tanker [Re: Haggart]  
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OMG, not much hope for those missing sailors. Look at the damage on the waterline.

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#4375664 - 08/21/17 02:52 PM Re: Collision of U.S. Guided Missile Destroyer w Philippine Merchant & Now the USS John S. McCain Collides w Liberian Oil Tanker [Re: Haggart]  
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My nephew had read that the ships radar had failed earlier that day, you would think they would have extra people on watch if that's the case.
He mentioned when he was being deployed to Kuwait as a Marine the ship he was riding on didn't have their Surface to AIR radars on while an Iranian P-3 buzzed them. Another time a guy manning a 50 cal was asleep while 6 blacked out Iranian fast boats were charging them. It sounds like the Navy is getting way to laid back... I had read the accident happened at 6:24am, I would think that is bright enough to see that large of a ship coming at you...

Plus, why didn't the merchant ship move and avoid the destroyer? Almost seems like these ships are trying to weaken our naval presence over there.


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