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#4379207 - 09/12/17 04:00 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Yes I think also that's the best. This way everyone sees what the problem is just directly and can help a bit.


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#4379255 - 09/12/17 08:07 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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I reinstalled the game again, and using the v1.11 gog version I have the working Havoc gauges. So it was just in the wrong folder before.

Also, playing that version, it's clear to see how far the game has come.

#4379264 - 09/12/17 09:00 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Yes its a big difference, and also much more to the last original version 1.4.7.

I have installed this a few weeks ago and totally forgoten that in this last version even the Apache and the Havoc were not flyable in EECH. The only benefit of both games installed was that you could fly the missions of EEAH in EECH also and not the other way around.

Using the Apache and the Havoc in EECH too, was first possible with the early mods.


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#4379545 - 09/14/17 10:47 AM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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I did a bit of digging into the Havoc instruments last night, and in v1.16 can see where the code was commented out to switch off all of the non-3D cockpits. So even the Apache A, and default cockpit (used for fly any aircraft) have been disabled. This was done as part of the conversion to D3D9, and the notes for this mention that the old 640x480 graphic cockpits are no longer supported.

However, it also mentions that the Havoc needles not working is a problem. So perhaps they should be able to work with D3D9.

This is the commit for the changes made in v1.16, and the readme at the top with details of the changes (which don't all make sense to me just yet)

https://eech.codebasehq.com/projects/eechmain/repositories/eech-dev/commit/e1bf6f749a

There is a Havoc cockpit in v1.16 though, so I'll need to see how that is being displayed, and then see if I can get the needles working for it. I suspect it's related to the needles being drawn by D3D, rather than them being a 3D object that is rotated, as in the 3D cockpit models.

As for the needles not working in v1.15.4, I think that might have been in error as those changes were released in v1.16. If it's useful, I could try reverting those changes in v1.15.4 to get the needles working again, but that whole branch of code was still experimental.


Also, would you mind renaming this thread to "Havoc needles not working" and we'll keep this as the bug tracker for that issue.

#4379547 - 09/14/17 11:01 AM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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O.k will do so if I understand how renaming must be done. Will just take a look.

As far as I remember 1.15.3 and also 1.15.4 used D3D9. It was mentioned in the thread of the Cockpits Improvement:

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ver0.3

based on EECH 1.15.2FIX5 AND DX9 test version, so it has same features and issues.

please notice, that this mod has version index 1.15.4 so it will be not compatible with other versions in multiplayer game.

INSTALLATION:

before install make special copy of the game for this mod - you will be not able to uninstall it anyhow. remember, that active EECH folder had to have same name that you choose before original EECH was installed. if you want to play one of the versions - name this folder properly.


The cockpit itself seems the same as it already was in 1.15.0 and the upgrades 1.15.2 and Fix5. As I compiled 1.15.2 Fix5 with D3D9 the cockpit get's black and the needles disappeared. So I came to the conclusion that they have made something which fixed the "getting black" bug, but couldn't fix the instruments.





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#4379785 - 09/15/17 08:35 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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I did a bit more work on this today. In order to get the instruments working again in the short term, I'll need to make it work the same way as the default or Apache A cockpit. The needles need to be 3D objects instead of being drawn by Direct Draw.

So I started with trying to get the airspeed dial working, but need to work out some compiler issues.

#4379960 - 09/17/17 10:40 AM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Made progress of sorts on this. Got the default cockpit needles working in this, but as they're the ones used from that cockpit, they're in the wrong place. The Airspeed does increase though. So next I'll change it to use the russian helo needles, probably from the Hind unless I can find some good reference pictures that show they're very different, and move them to the correct places. The engine gauges might be trickier to do though, as I don't think there's any other cockpit with similar gauges.

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[Linked Image]

Attached Files havoc_gauges1.jpghavoc_gauges2.jpg
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#4379993 - 09/17/17 06:03 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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I need some help identifying a gauge in the Havoc cockpit. I've worked out the other dials, but there's one I'm not sure about. Does anyone know? I've labelled it "What's this???" in the image below...

[Linked Image]

#4379999 - 09/17/17 07:25 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Hello messyhead,

I couldn't see your linked pictures. So I couldn't help. Could you directly upload them?



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#4380002 - 09/17/17 07:38 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Originally Posted by Viper1970
Hello messyhead,

I couldn't see your linked pictures. So I couldn't help. Could you directly upload them?



Hmmm, not sure why that is. I can see them even when I'm not logged in to the forum.

I've tried attaching them now.

Attached Files havoc_cockpit.PNGhavoc_gauges2.jpghavoc_gauges1.jpg
#4380004 - 09/17/17 07:41 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: XIII]  
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Originally Posted by blackshark
Originally Posted by Viper1970


I don't understand what the big problem is to fix those gauges. .

Again - no time(i think)


I also love mi28 and made little rework
, but without code is useless at this moment.








I completely missed this post. Could you send me the files for this? I'm need to work on the cockpit model to add the dials, so might just update it all.

#4380008 - 09/17/17 08:01 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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I can not
I'm in the hospital right now.
You can do whatever you want, there will be no problem with my cockpit.
Any other changes to your textures I wlll transferred to my.
I made changes only in 1003.lwo

#4380009 - 09/17/17 08:02 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: XIII]  
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Originally Posted by blackshark
I can not
I'm in the hospital right now.
You can do whatever you want, there will be no problem with my cockpit.
Any other changes to your textures I wlll transferred to my.
I made changes only in 1003.lwo


Sorry to hear that. Hope your ok.

#4380011 - 09/17/17 08:16 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Hey blackshark what happend, are you o.k?

I also have to go to the hospital soon. I hope I could delay it a bit because to many hospital habitations the last few years, I think it's enough now and I want to have a little break.

@messyhead

I will take a look what this instrument is for? Have to start 1.15.2 again and hope I can find out. To my shame I do not know it at the moment biggrin


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#4380012 - 09/17/17 08:34 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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O.k. it's simply the rotor rpm biggrin

Edit:

But it has a second grey needle behind, which maybe also has something to do with the torque. It' not descriped in the EEAH manual. I will look at the web if I could get some info what it is exactly showing.

Some interesting info about the MI-28, but sadly not really what we search for (no detailed cockpit description):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/complete-information-analysis-on-mi-28n-havoc-b.369231/


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#4380025 - 09/17/17 09:51 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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O.k. checked it again with the EEAH manual and it's definitely the rotor rpm. Haven't seen it the first time in the manual, sorry.

But the second gray needle must be something else, which isn't descriped in the manual. Do you have the option to run 1.15.2 Fix5 also. Sometimes it's a little tricky to take of with the Havoc, cause of the hesco barrier tail rotor crash. You have to try starting free flight a few times, just to the point the tail rotor is in the right direction or simply deactivate the collision option.

If you are starting the rotor, you see that the gauge indicates the main rotor rpm, but in flight if you pull and push the collective the grey second needle behind the white rpm indication needle also changes its direction. It stays in place at 12 o' clock while no change in collective is made, turns to the right about 10° if you push the collective down and turns the same way to the left if you pull the collective up. The white rpm needle doesn't change really much during this maneuver, so it seems that the rpm stays relative stable.


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#4380132 - 09/18/17 05:53 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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messyhead, Is there a point to place all needles for the old model from scratch, when the same can be made for new model? just a guessing,

#4380135 - 09/18/17 06:27 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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yes old model have big problems with lighting.and is the last old cockpit.The large part of the texture in my cockpit is simply dark.
here old example
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#4380137 - 09/18/17 06:36 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: Viper1970]  
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Is there a black version of the MI-28 pit also, which only has one MFD? I only found this one with two MFD's.

Looks like all new moderernized russian attack helos have now black cockpits because the MI-35 (modernized MI-24) also has a black one.

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#4380139 - 09/18/17 06:51 PM Re: MI-28 Cockpit Instruments Error [Re: thealx]  
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Originally Posted by thealx
messyhead, Is there a point to place all needles for the old model from scratch, when the same can be made for new model? just a guessing,


Do you mean create a new cockpit model?

I just thought adding them to the existing would be quick for now.

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