#4367912 - 07/07/17 03:10 PM
Su-33 gets a FREE update
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ED's forum LinkNews of Su-33 for DCS World Currently in the Eagle Dynamics update hangar is our Su-33 for DCS World / Flaming Cliffs 3. This carrier-borne aircraft is in the final stages of receiving a big, FREE update that includes much improved flight dynamics and the addition of several new systems. This will bring our Su-33 much more aligned with its real-world counterpar Features of this upcoming Su-33 update include: Professional Flight Model (PFM) More detailed and accurate simulation of the wing control surfaces that include the leading and trailing edge flaps and the differential ailerons. In addition to the conventional differential stabilizers, canard behavior has also been improved for more realistic behavior. The Flight Control System (FCS) will automatically reconfigure itself depending on the flight mode. The adaptations that make the Su-33 aircraft carrier-capable have been updated and improved to include the wing-fold mechanism, reinforced landing gear struts, and the inclusion of high-gain nose wheel steering for use on crowded carrier decks. The physical mechanisms by which the arrestor hook engages the aircraft carrier arrestor wire has been greatly improved. Correct physics have been applied to the arrestor wire and its’ interaction with the aircraft. The engines now have a “special mode” that adds up to 12,800 kg of thrust (instead of the normal 12,500 kg of thrust). This mode also includes realistic operating time restrictions. A new FCS mode used when aerial refueling has also been implemented. When in this mode and the control stick is released, the aircraft will automatically maintain level flight. This FCS mode allows fine-control and thus making it easier to make contact with the tanker within a pitch range of plus or minus 5 degrees and of a roll angle of plus or minus 10 degrees. The Auto-Thrust Control (ATC) is used for automatic speed holding and can be fine-tuned with a set speed switch. This can be useful with landing on the carrier. The automatic collision avoidance system (“Uvod” mode) is now included and allows safe nap-of-the-earth flying.
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#4367951 - 07/07/17 07:29 PM
Re: Su-33 gets a FREE update
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What's with the emphasis on FREE? It's still an FC3 aircraft, is it not? If they upgraded it to DCS levels and still kept it a FREE update, then sure....
Also, didn't the old version already have folding wings?
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#4367956 - 07/07/17 07:59 PM
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The FM is being upgraded to DCS levels. For FREE. It's not a small thing.
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#4367957 - 07/07/17 08:09 PM
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Well, isn't all the work being done for 1.5.xx and 2.xx being done for FREE as well anyway? That's not a small thing either...
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#4367960 - 07/07/17 08:32 PM
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That's right.
In any case, there are a bunch of peeps who have been waiting for this. It has been in the pipeline and it should bring an interesting and appropriate opponent for the hornet.
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#4367963 - 07/07/17 08:50 PM
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That's right.
In any case, there are a bunch of peeps who have been waiting for this. It has been in the pipeline and it should bring an interesting and appropriate opponent for the hornet. And what about the magnitude more 'peeps' awaiting 2.5? Back in Dec 2016 where it was delayed again for the 17th time ED stated it was in their list of priorities behind the Spit and the Normandy Map. These have obviously been released now (ED alpha/beta/never to be finished release) yet there is absolutely nothing mentioned about 2.5 which has to be one of the key drivers for wasted money/resources/time for both ED and third parties supporting all these multiple dev streams.
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#4367965 - 07/07/17 08:51 PM
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What's with the emphasis on FREE? It's still an FC3 aircraft, is it not? If they upgraded it to DCS levels and still kept it a FREE update, then sure....
Also, didn't the old version already have folding wings? You're making it seem like this is a bad thing. It is getting the PFM and some new modes, but thankfully not a fully clickable cockpit and a high price tag. I'd buy more planes like this. Planes like the M2000C, due to their complex nature and the inability to find detailed research on newer -5 or -9 variants has kept me from buying it. I may get it eventually, but a -5F or newer that was simple enough to learn would have been a must buy for me. I'll take an FC3 level F-16, Su-35, MIG-29K or Super Hornet any day of the week over an older, less capable plane that takes too long to learn. They also tend to come with a much higher price tag to...
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#4367969 - 07/07/17 09:04 PM
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They'll wait a little longer. And what about the magnitude more 'peeps' awaiting 2.5?
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#4367970 - 07/07/17 09:05 PM
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I suspect you would enjoy the M2000C; have you, or have you considered the F-5E? It's a great little aircraft to learn flying on You're making it seem like this is a bad thing. It is getting the PFM and some new modes, but thankfully not a fully clickable cockpit and a high price tag. I'd buy more planes like this. Planes like the M2000C, due to their complex nature and the inability to find detailed research on newer -5 or -9 variants has kept me from buying it. I may get it eventually, but a -5F or newer that was simple enough to learn would have been a must buy for me.
I'll take an FC3 level F-16, Su-35, MIG-29K or Super Hornet any day of the week over an older, less capable plane that takes too long to learn. They also tend to come with a much higher price tag to...
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#4367975 - 07/07/17 09:30 PM
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They'll wait a little longer. And what about the magnitude more 'peeps' awaiting 2.5? is early access hornet going to be released with 2.5?
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#4367978 - 07/07/17 09:34 PM
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I don't know; they're two completely separate things. 2.5 is basically waiting for the remake of Caucasus to finish it's basically about putting Caucasus in the new terrain engine used in 2.1. I couldn't tell you how far along that is, but I'm sure Wags will share when there are more news.
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#4367981 - 07/07/17 09:45 PM
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I don't know; they're two completely separate things. 2.5 is basically waiting for the remake of Caucasus to finish it's basically about putting Caucasus in the new terrain engine used in 2.1. I couldn't tell you how far along that is, but I'm sure Wags will share when there are more news. roger! Thankyou!
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#4367982 - 07/07/17 09:56 PM
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That's right.
In any case, there are a bunch of peeps who have been waiting for this. It has been in the pipeline and it should bring an interesting and appropriate opponent for the hornet. As opposed to the "bunch of peeps" who have been waiting for 2.5 or the Hornet? Is **NOW** really a time to be working on the Su-33 amidst Nevada, Normandy, 2.5, the Hornet, and WWII? Does the ED director of programming resources have ADHD?? You're making it seem like this is a bad thing. It is getting the PFM and some new modes, but thankfully not a fully clickable cockpit and a high price tag. Nope, it isn't a bad thing... just... see my reply above to GrayGhost. I'd love a 6DoF, fully-clickable pit even if it's not DCS-level... and don't get me wrong here, my go-to planes were the A-10C, A-10A, Su-27, and Su-33.... but again, read above. but I'm sure Wags will share when there are more news. Well, seeing as Wags hasn't shared any news, it's either you're wrong (Wags is keeping his mouth shut) or there is NO news to share. Either way doesn't look good...
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#4367986 - 07/07/17 10:30 PM
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#4367987 - 07/07/17 10:36 PM
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I suspect you would enjoy the M2000C; have you, or have you considered the F-5E? It's a great little aircraft to learn flying on You're making it seem like this is a bad thing. It is getting the PFM and some new modes, but thankfully not a fully clickable cockpit and a high price tag. I'd buy more planes like this. Planes like the M2000C, due to their complex nature and the inability to find detailed research on newer -5 or -9 variants has kept me from buying it. I may get it eventually, but a -5F or newer that was simple enough to learn would have been a must buy for me.
I'll take an FC3 level F-16, Su-35, MIG-29K or Super Hornet any day of the week over an older, less capable plane that takes too long to learn. They also tend to come with a much higher price tag to... M2000C is the plane I'm looking for the most that is released, but the 4 missiles and lack of a good dog fighting mode for the missiles has kept me from buying. I had Steam Wallet funds that I wanted to use on it, but when it came to Steam, they stopped allowing it to be redeemed in the ED client (Valve insisted from the sounds of it). So I bought ArmA 3 stuff which I regret instead. Time prevents me from spending $30-40+ on a plane I may never learn. That is why I prefer the FC3 levels. I'd happily pay $30 or so if I knew I would use it. The F-5E looks okay but I prefer the M2000C. I did make the UK F-5E livery though. So if you happen to use the UK themed F-5E in game I hope you enjoy it.
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#4367991 - 07/07/17 11:09 PM
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I admire your passion for finding something negative in everything that ED says or does Ice ... Thank you! I do work hard at this If you want all flowers and rainbows and people patting each other's back, I'm sure you know where to go. If you want a wider, more critical view, I'm also sure you know where to go
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#4367992 - 07/07/17 11:13 PM
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I admire your passion for finding something negative in everything that ED says or does Ice ... Thank you! I do work hard at this If you want all flowers and rainbows and people patting each other's back, I'm sure you know where to go. If you want a wider, more critical view, I'm also sure you know where to go Ying and Yang in action. At it's finest. Annoying? Perhaps I prefer to have critical views shared in a gentle relaxed manner. But maybe that's just me I know, I know, if I want relaxing I should go to another forum
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#4367993 - 07/07/17 11:27 PM
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Ying and Yang in action. At it's finest. Annoying? Perhaps I prefer to have my critical views shared in a gentle relaxed manner. But that's just me Indeed! I prefer to come to SimHQ and get feedback off fellow players for games I'm interested in rather than "drink the Kool-Aid" from the game's website... heck even on the just-finished Steam sales, I look at negative reviews for games to see what people have found wrong with that game. When buying a car, do you make your decision after talking to a car salesman?? As for sharing my views in a gentle and relaxed manner, part of that has eroded away over time. Why introduce a closed-minded fan to the truth and try to gently coax him to see the light if you can just pour the whole tank of the cold-hard-truth and shock him awake? Then you start seeing posts of "If you hate the game so much, why are you posting here?" or "You're such a negative person, you should re-evaluate your priorities!" which is simply a feeble attempt to deny the truth that has just washed over the poster. So again, if you find the critical view of ED's actions offensive, I'm sure there's a more reputable forum out there if you look hard enough. If you think my critical views are wrong, however, I'd love to hear your counter argument.
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#4368010 - 07/08/17 02:17 AM
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I admire your passion for finding something negative in everything that ED says or does Ice ... Thank you! I do work hard at this Yes you do Nate
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