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#4368898 - 07/12/17 08:51 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Definitely a great deal of work, blood, sweat, and tears must go into these models, probably more than I can even imagine!

Besides the actual aircraft model that appears in game, the biggest stumbling block is probably creating the aircraft hit box models. OBD has every right to expect that these are drawn with the same level of care and sophistication that already exists in the official WOFF aircraft. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no artistic or drawing ability (or vision)! OTOH, I am perfectly willing and able to work on both the FM and DM files that would help bring life to some of these models.

#4368907 - 07/12/17 09:40 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OvStachel]  
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Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by OvStachel
Can't wait to see the list.


Pending no objections from mod authors.... here's.....

The List...

Avro504C
Avro504D
BristolM1C
FarmanMF11
FarmanMF11b
FarmanMF11c
FarmanMF7
FokkerB.I
FokkerB.II
Hp0/400
HalberstadtCL.IV
HanriotHD.1
HanriotHD.1 Dual
Hansa BrandenburgD.1
MartinsydeG100
MartinsydeG102
MartinsydeS1
Morane Bullet
Morane TypeH
PfalzBI
PfalzEI
PfalzEIV
PflazEV
PhonixKDI
Salmason2a

It would help to know which planes have similar performance specs to ones already in WOFF UE (or if I have any planes listed that are already included), so that I can release them quicker.....

.....or before this brief moment of insanity I got myself into wears off.



Wow!


Originally Posted by OvStachel
Can remove some that WOFFUE doesn't cover....

No Eastern Front:
Hansa BrandenburgD.1
PhonixKDI
FokkerB.I
FokkerB.II

No Belgians:
HanriotHD.1
HanriotHD.1 Dual

The FokkerB.I can be used as the Fokker M 7, which had been operated by the Naval air service of the Kaiserliche Marine from 1915.

Eliminate those and the list gets a little easier. But again, these are not in the main data files , so they won't be active in campaigns without some renaming and file trickery for lack if better words. Sort of like how Pat Wilson created the Western Front Patch for those that remember... ugh...15 years ago...


FWIW I would vote to keep the Hanriot's in, as we can simulate a Belgian career.

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Jeff


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#4368917 - 07/12/17 10:59 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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#4368929 - 07/13/17 12:12 AM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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Really helps to know which planes to work on and leave. Thanks for that info.

I don't have access to a "free" sop. dolphin, yet.

I have access to a few more "free" models of planes which are already inside WOFF. I can basically make minor adjustments to those model's wings/fuselage/etc... wider/larger/narrower.. to make variants. Maybe not as good-looking as OBD models, but at least more plane variety.

Also, would help to know which FMs I can recycle and reuse to make variants. Any suggestions? This is a large project and any helpers are welcome. Just say what you're working on to avoid duplication of effort.

OBD would need to make some kind of programming "hole" in WOFF for these planes to be inserted and integrated without resorting to manually editing campaign files. These are "free" models and can't be sold.

Updated LIST

Avro504C
Avro504D - Model in Final Stages, Robert FM
BristolM1C - low priority
FarmanMF11 - Working on Model for minor adjustments
FarmanMF11b
FarmanMF11c
FarmanMF7 - Model and FM done, now testing.
FokkerB.IM7
FokkerB.II
Hp0/400 - BuckeyeBob FM (Future)
HalberstadtCL.IV
HanriotHD.1
HanriotHD.1 Dual
Hansa BrandenburgD.1
MartinsydeG100
MartinsydeG102
MartinsydeS1
Morane Bullet - model in final stages, BuckeyeBob FM
Morane TypeH - using FokkerEI FM, low priority
PfalzBI
PfalzEI - using FokkerEI FM, building model
PfalzEIV
PflazEV
PhonixKDI



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#4368952 - 07/13/17 08:35 AM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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If the deep need for the Beligans arises, the Pup can be used in place of a low-quality HD-1 model. The Camel is already in the game, as is the Spad VII. The HD.1 was very close in ability and design to the Pup. So it makes sense to use it as a viable sub.

What is more difficult is activating the squadrons in the game as part of campaign mode. It just won't happen correctly (if at all) without direct involvement of the devs.

So, leave out the HD.1 until it can be added properly.

Just my $1.68.

Ok...

Pfalz B.I... not sure there even was such a plane. Could be a variation of the Parasol, or even an unarmed 2-seater Fokker D.II?

Here is a little discussion on the type...or lack there of...

http://combatace.com/topic/81039-additional-info-on-pfalz-bi-in-the-downloads-section/

Pfalz E.IV/V... don't waste your time with these. There were very few built and of those that were, they were not well liked and replaced very quickly with Fokker types.

The E.I would be great to see active. You can use the DM/FM from the Fokkers as they were nearly identical in characteristic other than the color and cowlings.

The Morane Type H is effectively a Pfalz E.I... well... vice-versa really... the Type H was produced first by the French. Pfalz then produced it under license as the Pfalz E.I....which eventually sparked interest from Fokker who took the design, improved it, added the history making synchro-gear for the MG and sold it as the E series to Germany...thus creating the world's first fighter plane.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_H

OvS

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#4368960 - 07/13/17 11:18 AM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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I have the FM for the FarmanMF11b Longhorn ready for testing. PM me so we can discuss


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#4368980 - 07/13/17 03:03 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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26 Morane H types ordered; 3 in escadrille service, 2 in reserve with MS31 from 24/09/14 06/11/14, when they were replaced with Morane Ls and relegated to training units. Two Hs were assigned to the CRP.
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#4368982 - 07/13/17 03:09 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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#4368983 - 07/13/17 03:14 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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OvS and Shred... appreciate the input. Good Stuff, indeed! - Anyone is welcome to contribute or let me know if I've made mistakes.

I've updated the list above. Will continue to update as time goes on.

Thanks for the FM Robert, I will test it soon.

....can't wait....exciting times ahead.

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#4369014 - 07/13/17 05:24 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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I am willing to work on the FM for the Salmson2a first, and then the HP 0/400 after that. I can also work on the DM for both, although I will need a volunteer who is willing to draw the actual damage boxes.

Is there anything else I need to know? I have some basic information about the Salmson2a, but not a lot.

#4369033 - 07/13/17 06:14 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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I do miss the albatros two seaters, think these planes do belong in this game.
Maybe this plane could also be interested, the Short bomber that was in OFF2, this plane could be a good and an simple to start plane.


Need to know are we creating these planes for the campaign mode or just as an extra for the Quick mission.




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#4369072 - 07/13/17 08:41 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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Alb 2-seaters are certainly needed.

#4369079 - 07/13/17 09:34 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OvStachel]  
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Originally Posted by OvStachel

What is more difficult is activating the squadrons in the game as part of campaign mode. It just won't happen correctly (if at all) without direct involvement of the devs.


Well, yes and no. WOFF campaign mission file can be edited to include any plane with any squad combo. Look at my training mission editing thread for example.

Basically, in a campaign mission, I can swap out any "AI" plane and rename the squad to match accordingly without actually revealing waypoints. If you happen to encounter them while flying your campaign mission, you can identify the squad and planes. Nice of OBD to allow this neat feature.

However, I can't get these planes to show in QC due to restrictions.

The damage models and boxes will have to be done on a later project. Right now, they'll burn and smoke and crash using default settings, but not show phyisical damage.

I found a few more planes, but need to test them first. I may have the Alb 2 seater and Dolphine. In case they don't work,
Anyone know what these 2 planes closely resemble with what changes. I know the Alb went from Bs to Cs with variations

#4369081 - 07/13/17 09:46 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: dutch]  
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Originally Posted by dutch
I do miss the albatros two seaters, think these planes do belong in this game.
Maybe this plane could also be interested, the Short bomber that was in OFF2, this plane could be a good and an simple to start plane.


Need to know are we creating these planes for the campaign mode or just as an extra for the Quick mission.

My understanding is that these will work "out of the box" in QC missions. In the campaign, you will not see them unless you use JJJ's mission editor to manually insert them into friendly and enemy flights. Fortunately, that is not hard to do, but it does delay the start of the mission. Getting them into the campaign automatically will require a modification to the global.xml file, which I believe has been encrypted by OBD.

EDIT: what OldHat said!

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#4369083 - 07/13/17 09:56 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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However, I can't get these planes to show in QC due to restrictions.

]I thought that if the plane is in the aircraft folder, it can be selected as a plane to fly or as an opponent in the QC screen. I could be mistaken, however.

Sorry, strike that. OldHat is right. There may eventually be a way to solve that, however.

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#4369092 - 07/13/17 11:25 PM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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Originally Posted by OldHat
PfalzEI - using FokkerEI FM, building model


From what I've read, Pfalz was inferior to Fokker. If possible, Fokker's FM should be tweaked to bring the Pfalz down a notch. Unfortunately I have no idea which characteristics made it inferior.


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#4369131 - 07/14/17 06:19 AM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: BuckeyeBob]  
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However, I can't get these planes to show in QC due to restrictions.

]I thought that if the plane is in the aircraft folder, it can be selected as a plane to fly or as an opponent in the QC screen. I could be mistaken, however.

Sorry, strike that. OldHat is right. There may eventually be a way to solve that, however.

These planes must be included in their respective "<Country name>Aircraft.txt" encrypted files. That is why we need the OBD to cooperate.

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Does anyone have any information about detailed specs for the Morane N (Bullet) other than Wikipedia, theaerodrome, or militaryfactorycom?

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#4369545 - 07/17/17 02:34 AM Re: ...now let's get down to business. [Re: OldHat]  
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Not just AI controlled planes anymore, now with a view from the cockpit and working controls....



Thanks OBD!! and thanks to Robert for the modified FM.

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