Caucuses map is currently only in 1.5. When they're finished doing the map update it will be available as a module for 2.5 along with Nevada, Normandy and the other maps they're developing.

After a great deal of research, technology development, and design

Seems kind of weird to me that the free map wouldn't automatically be upgraded and piggy back on to any big update.

Most people have been installing via the commandline I think,

Use
dcs_updater.exe install NORMANDY_terrain

dcs_updater.exe install WWII-ARMOUR

a guide to using the commands here.
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114030

Nate

Ah, my old friend Nate with his inspirational post.

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Nate

Better late than never:



Obviously those 1,654 must have been reporting a serious bug.......
Never would that amount of people be online on ED's forums if the life was good.

Surely the release of Nevada and the screw up it was to download the map must have come close to that figure in terms of end user complaints?
Even took a member of the public to set up a torrent so the end user's could download the map and avoid ED's own torrent system, Or has everyone forgotten what a screw up that map release was.
No doubt it will take another member of the public to fix Ed's balls up when Normandy is released

So EVENTUALLY (after about 60Gb* of downloading and much gnashing of teeth) i have managed to get Normandy Installed. Using DOS commands of all things (what century are we in again??) But now I can't use it.
Where is it? how do I use it?
I am just exasperated that a major release can go so bad. It's just ludicrous.

Was this distribution method tested at all???


But thern again this is DCS and all things are subject to change (even if they don't work) LOL

Its just comical (if I really cared I could be quite angry at this debacle lol)

SD.

* when i first clicked the DCS world button it downloaded 44GB of data(which I thought was a bit strange) once that finished (after about 6hrs) I opened DCS world but no Normandy (or assets) were available. It turns out I then had to resort to using DOS commands (WOW) did I just wake up in 1980?
So after I run both Dos commands twice because the first time they didn't work, the WWII assets appeared but still no Normandy (I still cant believe i'm writing "dos commands" in 2017). So I try again. No joy. So I give up and I go to bed.
I wake up go to my PC start DCS world and LO and Behold Normandy is listed in my Modules. but how do I use it? where is it?

what a bloody farce. I am just about to give up on the whole bloody mess.

SD

Hey Cobra......I love how the Mig-21 activation is still bugged after a major update......

As it will be until you fix it. You didn't perform the activation scheme changeover before applying the patch that changed between schemes. It's like if you crash your car and wake up every morning and complain it is still bent in your garage. It will remain broken until you fix it; no one can do it for you. It was perhaps a little too easy to fall into this trap but it's not something a patch will (or can) ever fix. You should stop expecting that any patch will change it. Please contact support or find the registry fix yourself.

They provided the reg file. All you have to do is run it. If you aren't willing to do it then you have only yourself to blame.

I must have missed that fix in ED's weekly newsletter.....are you able to supply a link to the newsletter informing the consumer's on behalf of LLC\Blueball visuals as to where this fix is?

If the fix was not posted in ED's newsletter how are we as consumers able to know there is fix available? (now before someone jumps on the "it's not up to ED to post it in the newsletter bandwagon)

Say I buy a new ford car from the ford dealership.......I give my license details, address, phone number etc.....a couple of years into owning the car, there is a warranty recall or re-work that needs to be carried out at the dealership by it's 'engineers' (glorified mechanics). A letter is sent out to me from the dealership on behalf of the Ford Motor company informing me that I need to take my car back to the shop to have a software upgrade. Now the dealership may sell other brands such as Mazda, Toyota etc.....the dealership in this case Eagle Dynamics selling 3rd party\competitor modules, LLC\Blueballs being ford motor company in this case.

Was the fix posted in the weekly newsletter from ED? if not, how am I to know there is a software update\reg fix to be carried out on the module?

For those who have Normandy installed and running - how's your stability? It's pretty bad here - I understand it's a beta. Instant Action flights more often than not, load about 70% then freeze - trying to open the Mission Editor freezes it every time. When it does fly it's pretty stuttery - just wondering what others are experiencing ....

otherwise it is unusable.

I'm not one to normally defend ED, but you've got your head twisted a bit on this I think. If Carenado or MilViz announces a registry fix to their aircraft, is that necessarily announced by the FSX team?

Was this distribution method tested at all???

I then had to resort to using DOS commands (WOW) did I just wake up in 1980?
So after I run both Dos commands twice because the first time they didn't work, the WWII assets appeared but still no Normandy (I still cant believe i'm writing "dos commands" in 2017). So I try again. No joy. So I give up and I go to bed.

All of the trouble of installing it, so much hype about it, and it's not even worth the time it takes to install it? Not even using the "meh, it's an Alpha" excuse now?

I never said any of that.

Nate

I'm not one to normally defend ED, but you've got your head twisted a bit on this I think. If Carenado or MilViz announces a registry fix to their aircraft, is that necessarily announced by the FSX team?

For those who have Normandy installed and running - how's your stability? It's pretty bad here - I understand it's a beta. Instant Action flights more often than not, load about 70% then freeze - trying to open the Mission Editor freezes it every time. When it does fly it's pretty stuttery - just wondering what others are experiencing ....

[quote=Tirak]Nate, can you elaborate on this?

No. I'm not a beta tester for ED.

Nate

My mistake.....PR rep if you will.

I won't - I'm not that either.

Nate

Interesting.....you have quite a bit to say when it comes to comments here that go against the grain so to speak whilst being an "unpaid, off the pay role, unofficial tester\PR rep" for ED, perhaps you are both of these roles....just off the books yet backed by the 'official' moderators and community managers, as per us subordinates\consumers who go against anything you say on the 'official ED forums' and is swiftly removed or refuted by those 'officially' in place by ED perhaps. Although you may not wear any 'official' title, ED still supports anything you have to say. Therefore, not being directly supported by the title of 'tester' or 'PR Rep'.....you may be in contention for the Jim Mackonochie trophy.....the trophy that is 'unofficially awarded by ED\TFC' to those who dedicate their posts to become aspiring moderators and community managers at the official ED forums.

None of this is true.

Nate

I'm one of the ones who got caught up in the 2.1 install SNAFU. Followed bad advice and deleted some of the autoconfig files which reverted my 2.0 to 1.5.6 forcing me to completely reinstall everything from scratch. No reversions...
In turn, I had to use the DOS commands to force 2.1 to find Normandy and install. Finally, I got some time on Sunday to explore the new product. I was unimpressed honestly. Broken input control files and extremely long load times are what I noticed first.

Clearly, Deferred Lighting was only showcased during early or late in the day. The horizontal light during those times makes the shadows look amazing, but anytime else it's just meh... The glass like textures on camo aircraft and cockpits is just terrible. I'd like to hear how Wags overcame that during his Su-25 videos. Tried it over in NTTR and was met with textures that are monochrome and no longer blended with each area. This was enough cause to turn off the DL function until some proper attention is given.

I could go on and on, but to put it bluntly, I'm pretty dissatisfied. I'm sorry but ED really delivered a poor visual environment outside of certain times of day/weather conditions (aside from trees and buildings that I can hide behind finally and water that looks very life like). By his own words, they knew the contrast and brightness was an issue, but pushed it out anyway along with many other graphical anomalies. Hopefully it wont take another year to get sorted.

Ah, the old Normandy glitch.....obviously 'ED's official testers' have spent far too much time flying the F-18C and not enough time testing Normandy....

No. I'm not a beta tester for ED.

I won't - I'm not that either.

None of this is true.

Are you calling me out as a liar? More than happy to supply quotes

I was unimpressed honestly. Broken input control files and extremely long load times are what I noticed first.

Clearly, Deferred Lighting was only showcased during early or late in the day. The horizontal light during those times makes the shadows look amazing, but anytime else it's just meh... The glass like textures on camo aircraft and cockpits is just terrible. I'd like to hear how Wags overcame that during his Su-25 videos. Tried it over in NTTR and was met with textures that are monochrome and no longer blended with each area. This was enough cause to turn off the DL function until some proper attention is given.

aside from trees and buildings that I can hide behind finally and water that looks very life like

By his own words, they knew the contrast and brightness was an issue, but pushed it out anyway along with many other graphical anomalies. Hopefully it wont take another year to get sorted.

As for the water, I don't know - could it be because VISUALS are a huge part of FLIGHT?

As for the water, I don't know - could it be because VISUALS are a huge part of FLIGHT?

Are you calling me out as a liar?

All visual improvements contribute to FLIGHT immersion and thus to COMBAT FLIGHT immersion.

Did you seriously just mention COMBAT? OMG, where do I possibly start............

All visual improvements contribute to FLIGHT immersion and thus to COMBAT FLIGHT immersion.

You possibly start with FLIGHT.

You might want to expand into things like visual disorientation studies etc. A high fidelity visual simulation is part of all this; like with all features, some additions can be of greater or lesser value, but they add up.

Or you can start at where you and Ice decided to whine about an added feature as if it was something bad.

@Ice I see your angle, but for low level operations water can be very important for gauging height. I launched from the back of a DDG and was impressed with the movement, reflectivity and spray.

As for the rest, I'll try and capture a video of what I was referring to in Nevada and with the modern jets. Screen shots at least.

The lovely water effects may be beneficial........for anyone walking around the payware carrier in first person mode. Looking forward to that said no-one ever. But it's all part of the DCS COMBAT experience I'd wager.

I just want to be clear on something. If I nuke the whole thing I can re-install DCS World 1.5 and since it's the same PC I can recover all modules without using up activations (not including Normandy/Assets)?

Thanks for the reply - are 1.5 and 2.x going to exist side by side? they advertise free to play but there is nothing free 2.x?

Thanks for the reply - are 1.5 and 2.x going to exist side by side? they advertise free to play but there is nothing free 2.x?

[quote=gn728] Also, DCS World 2 is capable of handling multiple maps and 1.5 is not. ED has already posted in their official updates section that when the new updated free Caucuses map is finished it will be available as a free map module included with 2.5 and all of the other maps will be payware. At that point 1.5 and 2.1 will probably be gone and you'll just have one version of DCS World.

Adding to what Cichlidfan posted, the main reason that 1.5 exists still is because it uses the free Black Sea or Caucuses map. This map has been around in various forms since Flanker 1 or 2, greatly updated but the same area. ED has made the commitment to keep this map their free one. So when they came out with the paid for Nevada map they needed to make a whole new DCS World to accommodate it. Also, DCS World 2 is capable of handling multiple maps and 1.5 is not. ED has already posted in their official updates section that when the new updated free Caucuses map is finished it will be available as a free map module included with 2.5 and all of the other maps will be payware. At that point 1.5 and 2.1 will probably be gone and you'll just have one version of DCS World.

and at this point, a lot of eggs are overdue.

oligospermia.

Ok - got it back to 1.5.6 - everything's working, all modules are there. Soo - do you guys think that somewhere, down the road, DCS will be a stable platform filled with AC/map goodness, or not? In no way a snarky question - I'm interested in your opinions on this...

do you guys think that somewhere, down the road, DCS will be a stable platform filled with AC/map goodness, or not? In no way a snarky question - I'm interested in your opinions on this...

You'll have to compromise on eye-candy a bit, but the depth of everything else easily makes up for it.

If you're looking for high fidelity airframe simulation, along with a simulation of training scenarios with a mix of well-simulated and arcade weapons and systems, then look no further than DCS. I think it's gonna stay that way, not because they want it to, but because they're unable/unwilling to focus on changing some pretty central stuff in their simulator engine, which is pretty old.