I think before the beatniks were the Greasers. At least they were into racing cars. Not sure what was before them.
You had the huge jazz and swing oriented crowd, the closely related zoot suiters and the greasers, who were originally started off as lowrider driving Mexican-American gang members until their culture was adopted by others and turned into it more of a hod rod, bike and rock and roll centered thing.
#4358827 - 05/23/1701:35 AMRe: As an older peep, the older i get the more i find older people annoying
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Ah, the zoot suiters, made all the more famous because of the zoot suit riots.
Fun fact - zoot suits were made illegal by name and description to manufacture during WWII, on the convenient excuse that they used up too much fabric, which was needed for wartime needs.
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I bet we could keep going back in time with examples. Can you imagine the first guys to wear lamb chop sideburns ? I bet there were some older people that were just appalled.
#4358843 - 05/23/1702:20 AMRe: As an older peep, the older i get the more i find older people annoying
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The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
That is, of course, Socrates quoting Plato, somewhere around 400 B.C.
The technology changes, but the human race, like war, never changes.
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On older people being a pain in the rear end, I can concur to a certain extent. At one of my EAA meetings, where I'm actually on the young side at 52, I casually mentioned that it was Old Guy Time and the floor was open to medical complaints for the next ten minutes, which was to be followed by ten more of Help Frank Understand Airplane Stuff.
Laughter all around, of course, and it went pretty much like I said it would. Since then we've kind of made it a regular feature of small talk, usually with a lighthearted tone, with the understanding that it's neither a competition or something to dwell on.
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#4358846 - 05/23/1703:37 AMRe: As an older peep, the older i get the more i find older people annoying
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The technology changes, but the human race, like war, never changes.
I could not agree more. Technology, like war, progresses with the age to allow those who can manipulate society to bend opinion. To not be liberal when young is cold heated. To not be conservative when elder is foolish.
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#4358969 - 05/23/1702:35 PMRe: As an older peep, the older i get the more i find older people annoying
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“You know what makes me sick to my stomach? When I hear grown people say that kids have changed. Kids haven’t changed. Kids don’t know anything about anything We’ve changed as adults. We demand less of kids. We expect less of kids. We make their lives easier instead of preparing them for what life is truly about. We’re the ones that have changed. To blame kids is a cop-out.” - University of South Carolina Basketball Head Coach Frank Martin
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#4358997 - 05/23/1704:16 PMRe: As an older peep, the older i get the more i find older people annoying
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Yeah, but the beatniks were a small and less diverse subculture in comparison.
Over here it was Mods & Rockers.
I was a North London Mod, so much drag due to so many lights and mirrors on my Lambretta it couldn't top 35. What with the tank aerial and fox tail an' all.
#4359518 - 05/26/1702:58 AMRe: As an older peep, the older i get the more i find older people annoying
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“You know what makes me sick to my stomach? When I hear grown people say that kids have changed. Kids haven’t changed. Kids don’t know anything about anything We’ve changed as adults. We demand less of kids. We expect less of kids. We make their lives easier instead of preparing them for what life is truly about. We’re the ones that have changed. To blame kids is a cop-out.” - University of South Carolina Basketball Head Coach Frank Martin
Yikes, never thought about it like this before, maybe he's right.
In any case, I have a short story of something I've witnessed recently, and it's not often I'm around kids...
Wife and I walk every evening for an hour (I'm hesitant to call it a run because we're mostly walking right now), and the closest of three places we go is in the little town of Slaughter, LA, just southwest of us (see pic below). For the last couple of weeks or so, three kids (high school age, we think) have been hanging out in the gazebo at the center of the 1/4m asphalt path. Two girls, eh...average size I guess, and one really large boy. One girl lays on the wraparound bench and plays with her phone, the other always has a notebook or binder doing homework maybe, while the big guy sits on the bench and chills. Looks like maybe they talk a little, wife and I both wear headphones so we can't hear them.
A few days ago (and the last time we saw them) they had a fourth kid with them, a scrawny looking boy on a bicycle. We're jogging south, passing in front of the gazebo which faces away from the highway (19), make the turnaround to go north, when I see bicycle dude push his bike off the gazebo, down the two steps, tumbling wheel-over-wheel, crashing in the middle of the asphalt path. We pass the back of the gazebo, and it looked like maybe big guy and skinny were having words. We make the return curve, and the bike is still in the middle of the path. The big guy sees us coming, gets up and it looked as if he was trying to get to the bike (assuming to remove it from the path). Holding onto the railing with both hands and having trouble with the steps, it was obvious he wasn't going to get to it before we got there. I look back at my 'wingman' (we take turns taking the lead) and she just shrugs. We jog around it and I give big guy a small head nod. Hopefully he acknowledged it as a thanks for making the effort.
We turn the curve again and see skinny moseying on over to the bike and he gets on it, like he's going to leave. We turn the curve again (now approaching the kid on the bike, still on the path) and he pushes it from between his legs and lets it fall in the grass, then walks back up the two steps.
Now, I was tough on my bike, face full of dirt, wind knocked out of me, even broke my collar bone on a jump, constantly making handlebar alignment adjustments until I got home to my father's monkey wrenches. But I never treated my stuff like trash, like I just didn't care. And I certainly would have never disrespected anyone using the track by leaving my crap in the middle of it. Dude just looked and acted like he had attitude and that he didn't care. Unless I have it wrong, but I went over it this evening with my wife while we were there and that's how she saw it too. I was hoping big guy would stretch his arms out and knock skinny over the railing...lol.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run