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#4366614 - 06/28/17 07:55 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: ST0RM]  
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Originally Posted by ST0RM
I simply dont see that. Most simmers are kids or pretty close. This is evident in the public servers where they SPAMRAAM everything in sight and/or buzz the runway at full blower. They'll buy anything new and shiny.
The hardcore group is rather small and stays within their own circles. They specifically fly one or two types and are smarter with their purchases.

I was simply speculating. Your statement seems to be delivered with more conviction. Is there any evidence for this outside of their behaviors of SPAMRAAM (cool term btw!! biggrin ) and buzzing the tower? I'll have you know that I'll be doing the latter very often once the Hornet and/or Tomcat comes out, so airfield recklessness isn't really a metric for age group wink

Originally Posted by ST0RM
As for Nevada and your impression of it being a training grounds only. What is the difference between it and the Caucasus map? Or Normandy? Its another place to fly.

Wasn't the Caucasus map supposed to be where sh!t is supposed to hit the fan if Mother Russia decided she wanted more territory? Obviously, Normandy is the site for that pew-pew action so many decades ago.... So we can go to either map and "pretend" stuff that we thought would happen but hasn't happened is now actually happening. What about Nevada? Is the People's Republic of California declaring war on the peaceful citizens of the Democratic Regime of Arizona? Is the United Counties of Utah rekindling old hatreds towards the People's Republic of California?

Originally Posted by ST0RM
None of them are populated with AI units or targets. And without, they all are sterile until they get life.

The same will be for Hormuz in 2020. Just an empty map until the AI gets dropped in.

To be fair, the maps are sterile even with AI units smile


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#4366616 - 06/28/17 08:01 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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@Ice. LOL

California would run to it's safe place and get rolled.

No worries, glad you liked the SPAMRAAM term. Cant claim it, but sure love to reuse it.

#4366617 - 06/28/17 08:03 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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Oh, SPAMRAAM is much, much better than the old term "Air Quake"!!


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#4366624 - 06/28/17 08:49 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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The P-40 refund link is dead. Was there some sort of deadline for the refund? I haven't read any ...


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#4366630 - 06/28/17 09:37 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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Quick question

On the ED forums The VEAO guy Ells228 has a link to the refund policy -> http://www.veaosimulations.co.uk/refunds

Does this work for anyone ?

Last edited by leaf_on_the_wind; 06/28/17 09:38 PM.


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#4366632 - 06/28/17 09:48 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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It did bring me to their refund page.... but as I've not bought anything from them, I have no way of testing their refund policy. Thankfully. smile


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#4366649 - 06/28/17 11:43 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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#4366678 - 06/29/17 03:24 AM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
I agree, Daz... however, the point I'm making is while they may have made money from military contracts IN THE PAST, I don't think that is true today and they're having to rely more on their commercial side to keep the company afloat, hence the week-after-week-after-week of sales and bundle promos. I don't think they have any recent work that is derived from a military contract, therefore, they have not had "military funds".

The impreshion that I get, is that ED is only interested in covering monthly payroll, and taking some profit monies each month, hence the frequent...on sale


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#4366689 - 06/29/17 04:50 AM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: SlipBall]  
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Originally Posted by SlipBall

Originally Posted by - Ice
I agree, Daz... however, the point I'm making is while they may have made money from military contracts IN THE PAST, I don't think that is true today and they're having to rely more on their commercial side to keep the company afloat, hence the week-after-week-after-week of sales and bundle promos. I don't think they have any recent work that is derived from a military contract, therefore, they have not had "military funds".

The impreshion that I get, is that ED is only interested in covering monthly payroll, and taking some profit monies each month, hence the frequent...on sale

How many folk actually work for ED? I can't see the sales of their modules covering payroll. Heck if hat was the case If I was an ED employee I'd be looking for work elsewhere as the future doesn't look too bright. Mind you who the hell is going to employ someone with "Eagle Dynamics Programmer" on their Resume. they'd get laughed out of the interview.


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#4366703 - 06/29/17 08:40 AM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Originally Posted by leaf_on_the_wind
Quick question

On the ED forums The VEAO guy Ells228 has a link to the refund policy -> http://www.veaosimulations.co.uk/refunds

Does this work for anyone ?


I'll have a go with my Hawk......but given that pre-release and beta products are not part of the policy doesn't that only leave final release modules that can actually be refunded? To that end, nothing that VEAO has ever released (or probably will ever release) actually falls into the refund policy.


Edit: I've just logged in on their site....it looks like they have covered my order very well to ensure no refund, the title of the order is: DCS:Hawk (EFM) Beta (Pre-sale) × 1 biggrin


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#4366730 - 06/29/17 11:41 AM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Originally Posted by leaf_on_the_wind
Quick question

On the ED forums The VEAO guy Ells228 has a link to the refund policy -> http://www.veaosimulations.co.uk/refunds

Does this work for anyone ?


I'll have a go with my Hawk......but given that pre-release and beta products are not part of the policy doesn't that only leave final release modules that can actually be refunded? To that end, nothing that VEAO has ever released (or probably will ever release) actually falls into the refund policy.


Edit: I've just logged in on their site....it looks like they have covered my order very well to ensure no refund, the title of the order is: DCS:Hawk (EFM) Beta (Pre-sale) × 1 biggrin

So they only refund for released products. Leaving aside the obvious, who is going to return a finished module, they all sound as if theyre going to be fantastic, and what restrictions will they put on the refund? Wheres the honesy? Why not just say "no refunds, once you press confirm order youre screwed. Have fun and happy flying! Thanks"


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#4366768 - 06/29/17 03:55 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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In this thread thy povided a link to the P-40 refund but it isn't working anymore: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=187765
Direct refund link: http://veaosimulations.co.uk/dcs-p-40f-refund-request/


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#4366769 - 06/29/17 03:59 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: ST0RM]  
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Originally Posted by ST0RM

I simply dont see that. Most simmers are kids or pretty close.


true

I am 12 next month.


#4366850 - 06/30/17 12:42 AM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
Originally Posted by SlipBall

Originally Posted by - Ice
I agree, Daz... however, the point I'm making is while they may have made money from military contracts IN THE PAST, I don't think that is true today and they're having to rely more on their commercial side to keep the company afloat, hence the week-after-week-after-week of sales and bundle promos. I don't think they have any recent work that is derived from a military contract, therefore, they have not had "military funds".

The impreshion that I get, is that ED is only interested in covering monthly payroll, and taking some profit monies each month, hence the frequent...on sale

How many folk actually work for ED? I can't see the sales of their modules covering payroll. Heck if hat was the case If I was an ED employee I'd be looking for work elsewhere as the future doesn't look too bright. Mind you who the hell is going to employ someone with "Eagle Dynamics Programmer" on their Resume. they'd get laughed out of the interview.

Crazy I know, but that's my impression


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#4366877 - 06/30/17 08:41 AM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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I would say that these clowns are halting further releases because ED has finally laid down the 3rd party contract laws as in "You were signed on a 3rd party developer and over the last 5 years you just haven't lived up to the hype, therefore we (ED\TFC) are cutting ties with you (VEAO) until you can lift your game and release what you originally promised our consumers" Chris has basically bought his company time to fix what is broken with the hawk and other aircraft. So a post saying "We will no be releasing aircraft for blah blah blah" is basically saying "we will have it sorted and everything will be fine before the year is out" however....I have my doubts....Is it a coincidence that I update my Hawk thread in these very forums and within 36 hours VEAO release the statement that they will not be updating anything or releasing anything further??

#4375224 - 08/18/17 06:48 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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update on their Fb page

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Following a shareholders meeting with our investors this week, development of modules for DCS was high on the agenda amongst other business development items.
Following the recent activity in regards to contract renewals for specific aircraft modules we were in the process of developing and heavily invested in, the following conclusions were made regarding moving forward with DCS module development:
DCS will no longer be our primary development platform.
That said; we are committed to getting Hawk out of early access and released as soon as possible. This will involve updated PBR cockpit textures, bug fixes for major systems, bugs recorded internally with ED and any found with future DCS patches as ongoing maintenance.
Development of P-40F for DCS will resume but will not take precedence of development over other platforms. We maintain that we do not expect to release P-40F prior to 2.5 and a release schedule will be confirmed when the module is ready for beta.
When P-40F is ready for review in DCS; we will, as previously agreed with TFC arrange an acceptance demonstration with a view of releasing the aircraft to you, the public.
Development work on our other aircraft will no longer continue for DCS.
If, at a suitable time, we however convert these assets for DCS we will confirm this in due course when the aircraft is ready for release, not during its development cycle.
Chris and I along with the entire VEAO family appreciate the support of the DCS Community during this time and continuing into the future of our modules in DCS world.
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#4375227 - 08/18/17 06:54 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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Shame, I only had an interest in the Eurofighter. Considering the HAWK is still in Early Access... I can't imagine it would have turned out good anyways.

At least Razbam updated the M-2000C cockpit a bit recently. Their dedication to improving the manual and hopefully more of the cockpit has regained some faith in them.

#4375229 - 08/18/17 07:09 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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If I'm reading that correctly, VEAO is essentially washing their hands of DCS? They'll finish the Hawk, wait for 2.5 and finish the P-40F, and then that's about it, right?

What other modules were VEAO supposed to be making or were in the pipeline?


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#4375230 - 08/18/17 07:18 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: *Striker*]  
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Besides Hawk and the P-40F they had:

Hispano Ha-1112 Buchon
F8F Bearcat
Typhoon
Spitfire Mk XIV
Meteor F3
Vampire FB5

Insane list IMO seeing how they fail so hard with the Hawk, a frigging trainer.

I for one will not miss them.

#4375231 - 08/18/17 07:28 PM Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules [Re: theOden]  
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Originally Posted by theOden
I for one will not miss them.

Typhoon as in the Eurofighter Typhoon? I'd be interested in that aircraft..... but then again, I'm sure if there's a demand, someone else will pick up the slack.

What I find funny is that the Hawk was in early access in March 2015, that's more than 2 years ago... and they talk about committing to get it released ASAP? LOL!


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