#4366614 - 06/28/17 07:55 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I simply dont see that. Most simmers are kids or pretty close. This is evident in the public servers where they SPAMRAAM everything in sight and/or buzz the runway at full blower. They'll buy anything new and shiny. The hardcore group is rather small and stays within their own circles. They specifically fly one or two types and are smarter with their purchases. I was simply speculating. Your statement seems to be delivered with more conviction. Is there any evidence for this outside of their behaviors of SPAMRAAM (cool term btw!! ) and buzzing the tower? I'll have you know that I'll be doing the latter very often once the Hornet and/or Tomcat comes out, so airfield recklessness isn't really a metric for age group As for Nevada and your impression of it being a training grounds only. What is the difference between it and the Caucasus map? Or Normandy? Its another place to fly. Wasn't the Caucasus map supposed to be where sh!t is supposed to hit the fan if Mother Russia decided she wanted more territory? Obviously, Normandy is the site for that pew-pew action so many decades ago.... So we can go to either map and "pretend" stuff that we thought would happen but hasn't happened is now actually happening. What about Nevada? Is the People's Republic of California declaring war on the peaceful citizens of the Democratic Regime of Arizona? Is the United Counties of Utah rekindling old hatreds towards the People's Republic of California? None of them are populated with AI units or targets. And without, they all are sterile until they get life.
The same will be for Hormuz in 2020. Just an empty map until the AI gets dropped in. To be fair, the maps are sterile even with AI units
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#4366617 - 06/28/17 08:03 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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Oh, SPAMRAAM is much, much better than the old term "Air Quake"!!
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#4366624 - 06/28/17 08:49 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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The P-40 refund link is dead. Was there some sort of deadline for the refund? I haven't read any ...
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#4366630 - 06/28/17 09:37 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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Quick question On the ED forums The VEAO guy Ells228 has a link to the refund policy -> http://www.veaosimulations.co.uk/refundsDoes this work for anyone ?
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#4366649 - 06/28/17 11:43 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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A very disappointing experience...we don't live for ever and the clock is ticking
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#4366678 - 06/29/17 03:24 AM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I agree, Daz... however, the point I'm making is while they may have made money from military contracts IN THE PAST, I don't think that is true today and they're having to rely more on their commercial side to keep the company afloat, hence the week-after-week-after-week of sales and bundle promos. I don't think they have any recent work that is derived from a military contract, therefore, they have not had "military funds". The impreshion that I get, is that ED is only interested in covering monthly payroll, and taking some profit monies each month, hence the frequent...on sale
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#4366689 - 06/29/17 04:50 AM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I agree, Daz... however, the point I'm making is while they may have made money from military contracts IN THE PAST, I don't think that is true today and they're having to rely more on their commercial side to keep the company afloat, hence the week-after-week-after-week of sales and bundle promos. I don't think they have any recent work that is derived from a military contract, therefore, they have not had "military funds". The impreshion that I get, is that ED is only interested in covering monthly payroll, and taking some profit monies each month, hence the frequent...on sale How many folk actually work for ED? I can't see the sales of their modules covering payroll. Heck if hat was the case If I was an ED employee I'd be looking for work elsewhere as the future doesn't look too bright. Mind you who the hell is going to employ someone with "Eagle Dynamics Programmer" on their Resume. they'd get laughed out of the interview.
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#4366703 - 06/29/17 08:40 AM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I'll have a go with my Hawk......but given that pre-release and beta products are not part of the policy doesn't that only leave final release modules that can actually be refunded? To that end, nothing that VEAO has ever released (or probably will ever release) actually falls into the refund policy. Edit: I've just logged in on their site....it looks like they have covered my order very well to ensure no refund, the title of the order is: DCS:Hawk (EFM) Beta (Pre-sale) × 1
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#4366730 - 06/29/17 11:41 AM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I'll have a go with my Hawk......but given that pre-release and beta products are not part of the policy doesn't that only leave final release modules that can actually be refunded? To that end, nothing that VEAO has ever released (or probably will ever release) actually falls into the refund policy. Edit: I've just logged in on their site....it looks like they have covered my order very well to ensure no refund, the title of the order is: DCS:Hawk (EFM) Beta (Pre-sale) × 1 So they only refund for released products. Leaving aside the obvious, who is going to return a finished module, they all sound as if theyre going to be fantastic, and what restrictions will they put on the refund? Wheres the honesy? Why not just say "no refunds, once you press confirm order youre screwed. Have fun and happy flying! Thanks"
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4366769 - 06/29/17 03:59 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I simply dont see that. Most simmers are kids or pretty close.
true I am 12 next month.
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#4366850 - 06/30/17 12:42 AM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I agree, Daz... however, the point I'm making is while they may have made money from military contracts IN THE PAST, I don't think that is true today and they're having to rely more on their commercial side to keep the company afloat, hence the week-after-week-after-week of sales and bundle promos. I don't think they have any recent work that is derived from a military contract, therefore, they have not had "military funds". The impreshion that I get, is that ED is only interested in covering monthly payroll, and taking some profit monies each month, hence the frequent...on sale How many folk actually work for ED? I can't see the sales of their modules covering payroll. Heck if hat was the case If I was an ED employee I'd be looking for work elsewhere as the future doesn't look too bright. Mind you who the hell is going to employ someone with "Eagle Dynamics Programmer" on their Resume. they'd get laughed out of the interview. Crazy I know, but that's my impression
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#4375224 - 08/18/17 06:48 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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update on their Fb page Following a shareholders meeting with our investors this week, development of modules for DCS was high on the agenda amongst other business development items. Following the recent activity in regards to contract renewals for specific aircraft modules we were in the process of developing and heavily invested in, the following conclusions were made regarding moving forward with DCS module development: DCS will no longer be our primary development platform. That said; we are committed to getting Hawk out of early access and released as soon as possible. This will involve updated PBR cockpit textures, bug fixes for major systems, bugs recorded internally with ED and any found with future DCS patches as ongoing maintenance. Development of P-40F for DCS will resume but will not take precedence of development over other platforms. We maintain that we do not expect to release P-40F prior to 2.5 and a release schedule will be confirmed when the module is ready for beta. When P-40F is ready for review in DCS; we will, as previously agreed with TFC arrange an acceptance demonstration with a view of releasing the aircraft to you, the public. Development work on our other aircraft will no longer continue for DCS. If, at a suitable time, we however convert these assets for DCS we will confirm this in due course when the aircraft is ready for release, not during its development cycle. Chris and I along with the entire VEAO family appreciate the support of the DCS Community during this time and continuing into the future of our modules in DCS world. Pete
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#4375229 - 08/18/17 07:09 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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If I'm reading that correctly, VEAO is essentially washing their hands of DCS? They'll finish the Hawk, wait for 2.5 and finish the P-40F, and then that's about it, right?
What other modules were VEAO supposed to be making or were in the pipeline?
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#4375231 - 08/18/17 07:28 PM
Re: VEAO Halting Release Of New Modules
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I for one will not miss them. Typhoon as in the Eurofighter Typhoon? I'd be interested in that aircraft..... but then again, I'm sure if there's a demand, someone else will pick up the slack. What I find funny is that the Hawk was in early access in March 2015, that's more than 2 years ago... and they talk about committing to get it released ASAP? LOL!
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