New trailer from CBS released a few hours ago. Looks interesting.

Not bad. Wish it would come out already though!

First encounters with the Clingons. This will be awesome. Can`t wait either.

That happened in "Enterprise".

Oh that is right, have the entire Enterprise series.

Its just they make this show different its almost like a completely new encounter.

I thought "Enterprise" was great. I would much rather to have seen a revival of it, just a bit later on during the Romulan war, than this STD.

Have re-watched the Enterprise series so many times. I was really bummed when they canceled it. Last season kinda sucked though with the retro WW2 theme.

I wonder what happened to Jason Isaacs.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/jason-isaacs-is-star-trek-discoverys-new-captain-but-n-1793044813

Trying to figure out where I need to pay to get this new CBS channel.

Amazon Fire has the app, but I'm not paying until this comes out.
I think this show must cover more than one ship.

Klingons. Sorry, it's a pet peve of mine.

At least he didn't call them Klingots

I don't like the look of this, I will not like this...and you nor anybody can make me like it!

I exaggerate, of course... but the teaser does not excite me.

It looks like Enterprise and the JJ Abrams movies were merged with Photoshop.


That said, this is picking up very strong with Trekkies. On the major ST message boards there seems to be a lot of enthusiasm and people looking forward to it. The word is that it was a smart move to cast Michelle Yeoh as captain, as this has raised the interest in China to be able to see this.

I know I will eventually watch it, but I wait until the lot of you that do watch it comes back with reviews and after it is on one of the other streaming sites I already pay for (Netflix most probably).

I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.

Crooked CBS actually put a regional filter on their YouTube channel specifically for this trailer! Sad!

Apparently CBS has never heard of VPN plugins. And make no mistake, I have the best, most beautiful VPN plugin...the best.

Outside the US, this is streaming on Netflix. CBS streams other shows in there. It could happen.

Latest info on the show,

"CBS All Access announced Monday that “Star Trek: Discovery” will launch at 8:30 p.m. ET/PT Sunday, Sept. 24. (That time is approximate, as the premiere will follow an NFL doubleheader and “60 Minutes.”) The show will debut on the linear CBS network, with the first two episodes streaming on All Access following the over-the-air debut. Subsequent episodes will make their debuts on All Access every Sunday after that.

The show’s 15-episode first season will be split into two parts: The first eight will air weekly through Nov. 5. The show will then take a roughly two-month break and then return in January 2018 for its final seven episodes."

A shot of Jason Isaacs on the bridge, and other info:

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-jason-isaacs-captain-lorca-photo/

Not sure about that uniform...

Yeah, I'm not too thrilled with the uniform design but it's still infinitely better than what we saw in ST: The Motion Picture.

Makes me think more of Galaxy Quest than Star Trek. It's not a dead ringer for it by any means, but I guess it's the blue.

These are the best ST uniforms ever IMHO,

http://jessical1.deviantart.com/art/Star-Trek-Wrath-of-Khan-Cosplay-Starfleet-Uniform-479493936

+1

Those looked to me like they should be fishing the Atlantic with those wool looking turtle necks.
I like Picard's gray uniform with the red biker jacket.
Too bad they couldn't have some friggin pockets.

I also love this uniform, so utilitarian and believable:

Agreed, astronaut-y. With pockets.

Always thought they looked the classiest.

I heard Jonathan Frakes will be joining this as director.

At first I thought...that's great!

Then I remembered "Insurrection"...so, maybe not so great...

That was really the fault of the crappy script and not the director.

I hear this so many times, but, unless the director is a cheap hire for the studio, they usually have final say on what's on the script.

He directed it like it was a TV episode. That was not the fault of the script.

To bring a more positive note, he did direct First Contact. That is, in my opinion, the best of the TNG movies.

Why are we assuming that Frakes had final say with the script in the TNG movies he directed? Rick Berman was running the ST franchise at the time and he ruled it with an iron fist. His reputation was very well established in that respect.

Those would be good as the equivalent to today's service khakis, worn by officers, warrant officers, and senior chiefs as a daily duty uniform when service dress, full dress, or dinner dress uniforms aren't more appropriate. But petty officers would need uniforms more appropriate for supervising work details or doing their day-to-day jobs, lower enlisted would need duty and work uniforms, etc. The "Enterprise" style coveralls would be most practical for that. Although the navy seems to be the service with the deepest traditions, so maybe dungarees or utilities would be better as daily work uniforms for enlisted below the rank of senior chief, with coveralls authorized as a replacement by the captain. Just as long as they don't have as many uniforms as today's navy! Enlisted up to PO1 should have daily work, service, and dress (even though I don't think there's a need for uniforms you can't fight or do your wartime job in), and senior chiefs, warrants, and officers would have service, dress, undress mess (basically the equivalent of black tie), and dress mess (white tie.)

Apparently, You Can't Say 'God' on Star Trek


This makes no sense, it's pure political correctness. "God" and or religion was mentioned in every single series that comes, chronologically, after STD: TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY.


"But Discovery is just... weird in its choices. Like, remember how it was so adamant about “breaking” Roddenberry’s rule about interpersonal conflict among the crew? Despite the fact that this rule hadn’t been enforced for decades? Why adhere to the letter of Roddenberry’s religion vision rather than simply the spirit of that rule? Everything, everything about this show confuses me."

Exactly.

Even shows like Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 which had very liberal writing staffs made frequent use of the word "god".

This is just Milennial social warrior justice crap going on here.

Which is ironic, because which group annoyingly (over) uses the expression "OMG!!!!" as much as millenials?

Here's a video about Discovery that doesn't paint a rosy picture, but then I think the expectations have been dropping quite a bit lately. If you've got 20 minutes to kill, it's interesting to see how things have been developing. I think the discussion about how the fan reaction was handled is interesting - it starts at the 15 minute mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA

I read elsewhere that the Nicolas Meyer series referenced here is actually about Khan on Ceti Alpha V, prior to STII, which doesn't sound that interesting to me.

Apparently this isn't quite true:

http://trekmovie.com/2017/08/03/tur...son-isaacs-is-looking-for-a-catchphrase/

This is really weird, considering how much they hated Enterprise before it even aired.

That's one community I just don't understand.

Is anyone here going to at least watch the pilot episode that will air on CBS? I'll give it a shot.

Maybe.

I'll subscribe to watch the show, unless I hate it after a few episodes. Then drop it, just like I do with HBO and GoT.

Probably not . . . For me, Star Trek ended (and began) with "These Were the Voyages." Rather than deal with all the political correctness/SWJ nonsense sure to be in this one, I will leave it there . . .

My sentiments exactly.



https://youtu.be/CWLhM48DiG4

Agree with you Nimits.


Wheels

Just what is so "SWJ" about it? And that hasn't been done in Star Trek long ago?

Star Trek had the first inter-racial kiss on televsion (Kirk kissing Uhura). It had gay characters, it had trans-people (Dax was a male stuck in a female body, twice!). It had *gasp* black people in the lead. And even a FEMALE! captain.

All of this 20+ years ago.

You realize most of what you mention has nothing to do with the SJW nonsense that many find objectionable, right?



If you mean the bi-sexual alternate universe stuff, yes, that was an evil character (in the context of the show) featured in three or four episodes. While I did find it mildly objectionable for bi-sexualism to be featured on an ostensibly family-suitable show, I never felt the writers were requiring me to empathize with or approve of that character's choices.

Overall, TNG-ENT had a dozen or so, out of hundreds total, objectionable/"parable" episodes praising homosexuality/transgenderism/global warming hysteria/assisted suicide, mixed in with many good ones, including some (especially TOS and DS9) praising true virtues such as patriotism. It seems like the balance will be way over to the other side, this time.

I forget what sjw even means. LOL
I've only seen that here somewhere, is that a SimHQ pwec forum term?

Personally, I'd be just fine if they left sexuality of any kind out entirely. It doesn't really have a place in a semi-military environment IMO, and its all been covered in all forms before. I know, they aren't the military necessarily. Still, I'd like some originality, and no time travel, transporters rendering people immaterial, or teenagers saving the incompetent adults either. You never even see a toilet, why do we need to be included in the sex lives of the crew?

Just have to wait and see. No one's even seen it yet, no need to be negative about it at this point.

SJW = social justice warrior.


The sexuality aspect with a science fiction show depends really on WHAT kind of sci-fi you are talking about. The vast majority of the scifi we get on US tv is what I like to call "dramatic and character driven" sci-fi. By that I mean a show that has its focus on the relationship between the different characters and thus is more character driven than plot driven. In those types of shows it makes logical sense to have sexuality since sexuality after all is a big component of the human condition. This is really the type of scifi that "sells" on US television. It also helps explain why we've not seen a tv adaptation for hard scifi stuff like the Foundation series which is overwhelmingly a plot-driven story and thus would not need to involve sexuality since it would really be superfluous.

Agreed Panzer, good post. Probably also why there haven't been a whole lot of Clarke stories made into movies/TV shows. Philip K. Dick stories are usually more about the human condition, which is probably why a good number of his stories have been successfully adapted.

I agree.

Which is why, for example, my favorite Sci Fi movies are things such as Aliens and Wrath of Khan (which, while it admittedly uses transporters and a super-weapon, is otherwise basically just a naval adventure set in space).

But, evidently, we are in a minority.

When I first read some info about the Klingons in this show, I suspected they would be used for political commentary purposes, and now that seems to have been confirmed:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...nts-show-klingons-modeled-162654181.html

Isn't that cute.

More dorks biting the hand that feeds them.

Wow, thanks for that link Arthonon. I take back what I said about giving the pilot a shot. I'm not even going to bother now.


Sure, the Klingons have always been used for contemporary political purposes since ST:TOS when they were used as an obvious analogy to the USSR but this latest use just crosses the line and shows just how politically biased the show runners are.

Its probably all moot, anyway, since there is no way I am paying for CBS All Access just to watch one show (seriously, if it supposedly that good, show it on prime time, or release via Netflix, etc.); I limit myself to supporting only one blatant money grap at a time (and already paying out the nose for the privilege of watching the NFL, so . . .) but, everything I am hearing continues to reinforce that I will not be missing much by not watching this show.

There have been some good speeches in TNG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70

Just got notice from Netflix, Discovery will be available on Nexflix monday 25th here in Norway (and elsewhere outside the US I assume).

Yeah, that was I believe reason number one I said "Screw Star Trek Discovery". I'm a paying Netflix customer too, but they apparently think that American customers are dumb enough that they can squeeze an extra $8 a month out of to pay for another pay per view service.

Maybe if they get good numbers everywhere else but crappy in the US they'll release it to Netflix eventually. The only people that will subscribe are the more hard-core fans, but that isn't enough to make a show succeed. Unfortunate that CBS is trying to force their app with this show.

We'll see.

CBS All Access have passed around 2 million subscribers now, up half a million in the last 6 months alone.

Granted, it is a far cry from the 8,6 million viewers Orville got on it's second episode.

Netflix has been very tight-lipped about what amount of viewers it needs in order for one of their streaming shows to stay in production.

Unless you work for CBS or work for the studio making ST Discovery, it's really anyone's guess if 2 million subscribers are good enough for the show to stick around.

For a show of the presumed cost of ST:D (that is an unfortunate set of initials . . .), 2 million seems quite low compared to the older Star Trek shows, but who knows?

I doubt all 2 million subscribers are there just for STD.

The question is how well does it do here, on CBS's app vs. what the rest of the world shows in viewership on Netflix. How much did they leave on the table by going with their own app instead of Netflix in the US?
Looks like they have under 4 million subscribers. If 100% of them watch Star Trek, that's just enough a good Netflix show rating. I doubt that's happening. I know they're using this to grow subcribership, but that's an expensive way to do it. Why single out the US?
Apparently they have 2 levels, the cheaper one you get commercials. $6 with, $10 without. More if you want to add Showtime, $15 & $19. Not exactly a bargain.

Subscriptions to CAA has risen from 1,5 to 2 million in 6 months with their current airing schedule. Probably helped with NFL, Big Brother and others.

Who knows what kind of boost Discovery will give.

Show also have another 2 million subscribers.

CBS aim is 8 million subscribers within 2020 - so their ambition level isn't that high.

Well, I thought that was pretty good! They really should've started it on time. Those depending on their DVR to get it will be upset. Knowing my luck, I had ours set for the next show too. LOL
They should've showed both episodes on regular TV. Did the trial for the service for the second episode. Good episode, but after each commercial break the video and audio would get out of sync. Had to back out and resume to get it right again. Worked every time, but it makes it seem like they want to annoy you into the no commercial package.
I'll sub to keep watching, but after that I don't really see any reason to keep it. It will be interesting to see if we hear numbers and if they get the subs to keep this going. The show seems well made.

Tvbythenumbers.com will most certainly have the ratings for all Sunday night shows by tomorrow.

Will it show the streaming too? It would be interesting to see the difference between TV and online since their app isn't mainstream for smart TVs. I only had it on the Amazon fire on one TV.

No, it won't have streaming because all of the streaming services are very tight-lipped about publicly disclosing their streaming stats. It will only have the live + DVR viewer numbers.

Did you watch it? What did you think?
There was one character on the bridge I couldn't tell if it was a robot or a person wearing some weird helmet with a display on the visor. Looked like one of those Daft Punk guys. Never got a good look.
Really liked the look of the ships inside and out. More raw but techy, some of the NX01 exposed metal. Wasn't all white and shiny like it was made by Apple like the new movies. Don't know if they have a brewery in the basement of the ships. LOL
It wasn't your usual ST, so I suspect some won't care for it. As a sci fi show, on its own merits, it was pretty good IMO.

I got busy with some other things so I missed it but I will try and watch it today or tomorrow. I'm definitely curious.

I liked it. Was a double episode and it'll be intresting to see where the story goes.

The klingons looked a tad goofy and neckless, but I will get used to them Nice to see a good mix of races on the bridge and the SFX were stelllar.

I'll probably drop Orville before this (Orville really doesn't know what it wants to be, it doesn't dare to be funny enough to be a Galaxy Quest-successor and not serious enough to be a TNG-successor).

I have a cold so I was just lying in bed anyway and caught what I think was about 3/4 of it. It looked good, and wasn't bad, but just didn't grab me. I won't be signing up to watch it unless a hear some good buzz about it from a trusted source. I thought the Shinzhou was a cool design, but just didn't fit the timeline, in my opinion.

The ships in general did look pretty modern, but I guess they've just got to do the best they can. It's not like they should make them look like cardboard boxes like STTOS. They looked better than the released shots months ago, but then we haven't seen the real main ship yet.
I miss beam weapons. Always liked that in ST and B5, big sweeping cutting beams.

Did anyone else notice the obligatory X52? At least the throttle, or so it looked. I'll see if I can get a screenshot.

X-52 throttle, not sure what the stick is.









No idea what this is, but it was apparently female. Or shaped like.






Some eye candy.

They really just don't want me to watch:

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-trek-discovery-knee-protest/

Eh, whatever. I think taking a knee is going to be the new colored ribbon for a cause that people will lose track of. People will be kneeling, jumping and kicking to protest all kinds of wrongs. Eventually it'll look like a Russian gypsy dance and we'll get on to the next thing.

I've personally never given a #%&*$# what actors do on their own time. I watch their movies/TV shows.
If you get upset about their private agendas and doings you assign them an importance they do not have and it's something I frankly never understand why people get so upset over.

Agreed. It has become the latest trendy "social justice" fad that everyone will forget about over the next couple of weeks.

ST: Discovery actually had pretty solid ratings for its only tv airing,


http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-sunday-sept-24-2017/

If it does well enough for the season, maybe they'll put it on the air for season 2 and stream it for those that have the service.

I'm not holding my breath on that but there's always a chance. Never say never!

I think CBS has a long term plan to use it as a draw. They must know that putting it on stream only won't give them instantly millions of new subscribers so it must be a calculated risk. As such it can operate at a loss in the US while getting revenue from international sales (ie Netflix).

Well I certainly watched it on Netflix on Monday.

It was ok, special effects were quite good on the whole I enjoyed it, but felt uneasy over the conflict between the captain and first officer

I wanted Michelle to go all Crouching Tiger on that Klingon. LOL

On Netflix you can add klingon subtitles

There's a reason why only Starship Troopers, of all the Heinlein novels, has been made into films.

I enjoyed it thoroughly. I have zero interest is streaming it or subscribing to some service to watch it. So, I will do without.

In a sense, I do not either. As long as they are purely private about it, I could care less. But when they post stuff like that in public, they (the actors of STD, in this case) are attempting to leverage your interest in their show into de facto support for their cause de jour. They (the actors) make it very hard to separate their political beliefs from their show.

Watched the first two episodes on Netflix and am quite pleased. Will for sure watch the other episodes too.

So far so good! Definitely a different tone to the show, but I like it. I wish they would drop the whole season like Netflix, but no one else does either, so it's hard to complain much. With just 8 episodes this season, I hope they don't have a Walking Dead snails pace to it.
I didn't care for the captain's stand up desk, seemed out of place, but maybe it lowers and magic's in a chair later on.

I wouldn't normally watch ST,especially a series but I'm staying with my bro and he put both episodes on last night.

It was ok but I found the Klingon scenes a little tiresome. But bonus points... NO Simon Pegg!!!

I find Klingons tiresome in general after TNG and DS9. The third episode is all Star Fleet perspective.
I like the captain so far. More militant and aloof than the usual. Its a science ship being used for war and he's got to keep his crew on the new task.
Their secret project is odd, I wonder how they will reconcile that with the usual timeline or if they're taking some liberty. Not as much as the JJ movies of course.

How they reconcile it is easy, the research will fail. Just like the transwarp drive tested in Star Trek III.

It already works, on a small scale, but yeah, there's got to be some kind of development issue later. They already lost he one ship. Also like when Riker's old ship had the cloak and could phase through solid objects.
Maybe it wins the war somehow by being misused and at some huge cost.

2 things....

A line I never expected on any trek...

And a new classification of captain..... (kirk = adventurer, Picard = diplomat, Sisko = solider, Jane way = lost...... This new one? #%&*$#.))


I'm liking this show a lot....

The bit where the captain put the engineer guy in his place was pretty good.
The engineer doesn't want Michael included in the away team so the captain asks the first officer that knows her his opinion of her.
What's your opinion of her?
She's the smartest officer I know.
(to the engineer)
See? And he knows YOU.

LOL

Liking the show more and more. The klingons are becoming more interesting as well.

Well. No I think I know why the spore drive was dumped.....

depends, the test they did on it shows it can be used with other.... guidance systems.

The show continues to deliver.
It was odd having a couple of f-bombs, gotta say.

Although I liked the first episodes the last I do not.

Another great episode this week.

Like so many shows these days, its midseason break time. Picks up in Jan.
IMO this show has far exceeded my expectations. Great show, cast, fresh story...looking forward to Jan. Now I can cancel my sub for a little while. LOL

Long Live the Empire!

Didn’t get to watch it last night. I checked in before it was released, then dozed off. LOL
Really looking forward to it though.

They nipped off into the "Dark" universe a bit early

Are they runing out of ideas aleady ?

I've not seen any of Discovery yet, but I couldn't miss the mentions online that they had done a mirror universe episode. My thoughts "mirrored" yours, no pun intended.

Unlike most ST series, there is an ongoing story. It will fit in somehow. You can’t run out of ideas after just a few episodes.
The show is really good, no need to be negative about it.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion on these things however. You say "really good" and I've seen those who say it "really stinks", both have a right to those views.

But you said you haven’t seen it, why adopt the negative attitude?

Depends entirely on what their plan for the show is. Maybe it will involved the Mirror Universe more?

DS9 did almost a show a season set in the Mirror Universe.
TNG never touched it, same with Voyager.
ENT had a double-episode there.

The episode was directed by Jonathan Frakes (Commander Riker), btw.

I only stated that it seemed like they "went there" too soon, it smacks of desperation to me.

I've always thought that the mirror universe was over done in Trek anyway, especially on DS9... it was like they kept a door open between universes there!

I like the Mirror universe, and I'm facinated that they are doing a concentrated arc in it for Discovery. Wonder if it'll last the whole "Chapter".

Chapter 1 was the pre-break story. Chapter 2 is the post-break batch.

I'm liking that there is not just a quick fix to get back to the Prime universe.

Also Taylor's arc is interesting - the lengths that Vor has gone to in order to gain the upper hand. Wonder what will come out of it.

Great episode again, I like how they keep things changing.
The mirror universe might be a used storyline, but they’re developing it and tying it in with previous storylines about it. I like it.
Far better choice than yet another...
-transporter incident, we lost someone version
-transporter incident, they go intangible and invisible version
-someone boards and takes over the ship...although these can be good sometimes
-crew member takes over the ship
-holodeck goes crazy
-playing diplomat/moderator between previously unheard of species
-Vulcans have none of our weaknesses episodes... only Enterprise portrayed them well previously IMO.

It isn’t that I’m fascinated with the mirror universe stuff, but I like the show and how they develop a story. They didn’t just throw this out there for a conflict of the week, they’re using it and won’t be the same when they return as when they went.

Don't forget:

Q-episode of the month
Borg-episode of the month
Time-travel episode of the month (but this I'm sure is coming, I'm afraid)
Technobabble episode of the week.

Ugh, I hope they don’t do the time travel thing. Maybe if they go forward for a change.

Have to agree. We are still in the progress to learn about the crew, yet they show how they would/could be in a dark universe. I´m interested to see where this is going. Perhaps it makes sense in some way later.

Don´t take me wrong, I´m enjoy the show. Have seen all series from The Next Generation. Some thinks repeat to often for my liking though.

Captain Archer went into the future in an episode of Enterprise.

That’s true, I forgot. They kind of dropped the temporal cold war thing unresolved. Then after a great season with the attack on Earth they went back in time with that terrible alien nazi thing.

As of last nights show Discovery has gone Game of Thrones... who will lose their head?

Another big twist! I like Michelle Yeoh returning, although I doubt it will be for long.

MAJOR SPOILERS:

As I understand it, Voq was transformed into Tyler in two ways. First, his body was physically morphed into a human form. This was irreversible. Second, he was psychologically transformed into Tyler, on top of his Voq persona, which was supposed to be repressed until the female Klingon unlocked it with an implanted trigger (the Klingon prayer). Unfortunately, this did not work the way it was supposed to, hence Tyler's tortured state. Thus, the female Klingon eventually "killed" the Voq persona. Tyler is now full Tyler, although undoubtedly messed up. He will never attain his former position as a member of the crew I would guess.

Seems to be the case, but that could mean the real one is still alive somewhere.
I doubt she would really kill off the Klingon she was tight with. She’s sneaky!

Noticed a free 7 day trial of CBS All Access via Amazon Prime a few days ago so I signed up and we've watched all but two episodes of STD so far.

Can't say that I'm all that impressed. First the nit picky stuff: worst opening credits of any Trek series ever, much worse that the hated (not by me though) opening credits of "Enterprise".

The "spore drive" thing seems more science fantasy than science fiction to me, Star Wars territory. I suppose there has to be an explanation at some point why "spore drives" aren't on every ship by TNG.

I hope there is eventually an explanation why these Klingons look so different from ENT/TNG/DS9/Voy Klingons, thus far it just makes no sense to me.

I really don't care for the mirror universe, it's been over done already (especially by DS9) and it doesn't make any logical sense to me.

I'll finish this season and if I get a chance to see further episodes for free later on I probably will but I can't see myself paying to watch this.

A lot of critics have said rather ironically and comically that they think "The Orville" with Seth McFarlane is more like the real Star Trek than Discovery is.

In some ways it is but there are also some big differences, IE no Trek series was ever crewed by a bunch of morons. I hope some of the "comedy" on The Orville is toned down in season 2.

Star Trek shows ended and we went years without any on tv. I’m happy to have both shows and I’m glad they’re different.
On the Kingon look, it was done before on STTMP and on TNG. The “explanation” was just for comic effect IIRC, an afterthought. It makes sense to me for them to look more alien. I’m fine with it or if they had left them alone, no big deal. ST has always been too human looking, but with a bit of “something” on the firehead or bridge of the nose. They tried to explain that on TNG, but it fell a bit flat.
I think it will be 2019 before the show returns. Maybe they will have given up on the CBS subscription thing by then.

Of course what caused this issue is the fact that ST: TOS had a barebones budget (even for the 1960's) and so the Klingons looked human with just some dark makeup thrown on and some facial hair and long eyebrows.

Even on ST: TNG and DS 9, the producers did not have enough of a budget to go all-out on creating alien species that looked non-human.

I understand the first change in Klingon appearance for TNG, they wanted a more alien look, a more fierce look. And they got that. And that look served well on TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and various movies. Once that new TNG Klingon look was established over ~20 years of Trek over various series and movies and the change of appearance from TOS to TNG explained on ENT I just think it was pure arrogance on the part of Bryan Fuller to insist on changing that appearance in STD. He didn't change Andorians or Vulcans, why change Klingons?

TNG was following the improved look from the movies. Then they gave Worf more headcrab later.
I suspect they wanted to make them much more alien in Discovery, just like they amped up their aggresiveness and made then even more unreasonable.
The shows evolve. On Enterprise they made the Vulcans and Andorians much better. They want to progress in making the shows better. Doesn’t mean they get it right all the time.
Personally I think the spore drive business is a little thin, but as long as it serves the overall story I’m ok with it.

"Evolving" through better makeup is one thing, changing appearance to the point that there appears to be a different species is another entirely. Shran on ENT has much better makeup than an Andorian on TOS but you can see that he and the TOS Andorian are the same species. The green Orion chicks on ENT had better, more realistic makeup than Susan Oliver did in "The Cage" but they were both identifiable as Orions.

TOS/TNG era klingons was horrible, the absolute cesspool of that era was the klingons in "Undisovered Country". (which is otherwise in my top 4-5 Star Trek movies).

Good riddance to the and yay to some more alien and fun looking klingons.

Well, the trailer for the second series is out.

https://metro.co.uk/video/star-trek-discovery-season-2-trailer-1731064/?ito=vjs-link

Has the same blue and pink theme filmed under 15W lights as the first. Most sci-fi films do that these days though.
It's relying on Spock again, so we can rule out an imaginative plot.

No doubt the personal issues of the 'self-help group' crew will overshadow any actual sci-fi.

I'll still watch it, but I'm sure I'm not going to like it.

Looks great!

Spock is an essential part of TOS canon, they're already bringing in the Enterprise and Captain Pike (and Number One! Woo!), with awesome TOS costumes

TOS didn't really have much 'canon', so it annoys me to see attempts to apply meaning where there wasn't any.
What it did have is mini-skirts and the vaseline-on-the-lens effect to make the actresses look prettier. I doubt we'll be seeing much of that in ST:D.

It's nice that they are introducing 'The Orville' style visual jokes though.

Just binge watched it...With it all the way till the Kilngons just gave up the ghost..

Great news!

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/miche...covery-is-getting-her-own-spinoff-series

Michelle Yeoh is getting a spin-off series about Captain Georgiou - probably set after season 1 of Discovery when she gets recruited into Section 31