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#4362536 - 06/07/17 05:38 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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MarkEAW and Neal. I apologize for misreading the original post. I am the person who was wrong

Last edited by Brit44 'Aldo'; 06/07/17 05:49 AM. Reason: corrected my bad spelling of Neal

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#4362561 - 06/07/17 10:29 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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FWIW the only reason I bothered to comment in this thread is this statement by MarkEAW -

"Whats this about the outstanding Col.Gibbon? I notice certain guys get attacked at anytime they seem to disagree, weird stuff. Are you really Rotton? your sure do sound like him."

It should be obvious by now that dragging my name through the mud is not conducive to a happy forum life.


Heck, even paranoids have enemies.
#4362603 - 06/07/17 05:05 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Thanks Aldo. Where only human.

Rotton you left the rest of that sentence off intentionally, here it is : "(no offence to the real Rotton if that's the case.)"


Truly as far as the source code, guys who really owns EAW now anyhow? Not Atari, and that ceo at atari isn't there anymore so his side notes are useless. Unless you re-new the internet contract with the new owners your src arguments are rubbish anyhow,
eh. Its non sense.
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#4362619 - 06/07/17 07:07 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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No.

Don't accuse me of selective editing. Obviously any member can read the posts in their entirety so there's simply no point trying to twist someone's words.

I was specifically highlighting the comment that pissed me off.

To clarify, my point was that you made the choice to include me in a discussion that I had no interest in and had nothing to do with.

Plus, you did it in such a way as to cast doubt on my reputation.

You owe me an apology.

Now as to your comment about renewing a contract with new owners.

Since you aren't a member of the Coder's Group you aren't party to our communications. So stop the conjecture and pontificating.

You are only continuing the saga of bad blood that has haunted this community for more than a decade.


Heck, even paranoids have enemies.
#4362642 - 06/07/17 09:31 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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I ow you an apology? No I don't , I only said what was true and what I experienced in the past from you since day one. I thought Aldo was truly you, So I don't. (but I did apologizes before hand already, the part you left out)
Although I do sympathize with you for reasons unknown to you, but that's as far as it goes.
And I didn't twist your words, you did not include the entire sentence that I posted so you twisted and took my words out of context. Shame on you.

I don't have to be part of the Code Group to voice what I know to be true.
EAW is owned by another company now, doesn't matter that they are a small company but they are one. And the Atari Agreement did not carry over,, (as you can contact the new company and ask), and the CEO of Atari that made that side note at his desk is no longer CEO of Atari. Its all null and void. I can go into it deeper if you wish Rotton to explain the reality and legality of it better for your understanding?

No I'm not continue no bad blood, stop filler-busting my conversion with you. I thought you learned from the past from your own words, but you haven't.



Last edited by MarkEAW; 06/07/17 09:41 PM. Reason: Noted apology already.
#4362652 - 06/07/17 10:48 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Forget it Rotton. Anyway if you need to reply to the previous post, go ahead. I'll reply if it warrants it.

#4362700 - 06/08/17 06:04 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Mark,
When a copyright is sold, it does not make the third party agreement null and void. If the code group were to release the code, the new owner could sue and win. If the code group violates the original agreement, the new owner could sue and win. If the new owner chooses to end the agreement, the agreement would have to be reviewed for any clauses included to cover that situation. The new owner purchased the copyright and all it's liabilities.

GM built cars with faulty ignition switches. GM went bankrupt and became in legal terms a new company. The new GM has been ruled to be liable for the original ignition switches.

I am just counting rivets out loud.


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"The 10th Amendment simply says that any powers that aren’t mentioned in the Constitution as belonging to the government belong to the states themselves."
#4363091 - 06/10/17 03:37 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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To me this is why the community died..More drama than a day time soap opera.. frown

#4363100 - 06/10/17 06:41 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Spitty,
You are correct, but in all fairness, do you publish your 3D plans for the general public to run to there there local 3D printer?


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"The 10th Amendment simply says that any powers that aren’t mentioned in the Constitution as belonging to the government belong to the states themselves."
#4363217 - 06/11/17 02:01 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Actually yes I do.Shared my complete designs for the Colonial Viper MkI for them to build a cockpit .
https://www.facebook.com/ClassicViper/?fref=mentions
And I also point people in the right direction to help them out by sharing research.I dont degrade and upset other people by choice.

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#4363293 - 06/11/17 08:35 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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I stood by for a couple of days just to see how this shook out. I will not get involved in the back and forth as it is pointless.

Those of you who've been here a while know me and my body of work and my record for not attacking unless attacked.

What I do think is very important is that the community be aware that Mark's statement that he doesn't think the agreement is still in place is an indictment of his intentions. It validates the Code Group's decision not to allow him access.

In the end, this one rogue member could have ended EAW's great run if given access and then took it upon himself to share the source code with the general public.

Keep that in mind before you paint all the participants in this thread with the same brush.


Heck, even paranoids have enemies.
#4363314 - 06/12/17 01:15 AM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Your such a tool Rotton. Why don't you read forum posts a few times and think a couple times before you post some things.
I told you I only wanted the information that Knegel said he posted over at the gen with Limited Temporary access, so I can document, help others, and by all means show the details of his work and others, since i can't oh well, not just my loss, everyones too.
You post without considering anything but your own agenda. Read the details man, take a breath.

Whats the common denominator when someone has issues with EAW and the same conversations happen over again , for years. Hint: its a person, but its not me.
Think man, do me a solid and digest these teachings I bring to you. lol

#4363386 - 06/12/17 01:23 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Stop digging a hole for yourself.

I have no agenda. I've never started any of the arguments that infest this board, including this one. Don't forget, YOU dragged me into this.

I will however refute any misinformation disseminated by you, just as I did with VBH and the Col. I would also reiterate that your own comments about the Atari agreement are the best indictment against you.

In addition, I'd like to point out that asking for temporary access to the information protected by the Coders is akin to the Trojans allowing temporary access to the Greek horse.

Now with all that said, if any reasonable member wants help with editing flight models, loadouts, campaigns, 3dz models or any other aspect of EAW modding I am always available to help.

Plenty of guys can attest to my record of cheerfully assisting members in their modding adventures as well as attempting to fulfill the wishes of those members who, for whatever reason, can't do the modding themselves.


Heck, even paranoids have enemies.
#4363451 - 06/12/17 04:44 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Why do you continue to only use part of what I say and then use the rest for your agenda, lol.
I said: "Limited Temporary Access so I can document and help others...etc...", not what you put down: "Temporary access", which opened it up to for you to put in your twisted words again of accusing me of some sort of Trojan Horse plan this time.

and why do you constantly look for validation from others in your conversation?
and thanks for all the help from day one, It really made things easier on me. frown In actual, you helped zero, to every question and request I had. I was patient with you too, I waited for you to get back to me, which didn't happen either.

#4363464 - 06/12/17 06:00 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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Got nothing to prove.

I'll let my work speak for me

I'm done here.


Heck, even paranoids have enemies.
#4363474 - 06/12/17 06:25 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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okay. I'm done too

#4363641 - 06/13/17 03:28 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: MarkEAW]  
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#4363659 - 06/13/17 05:15 PM Re: If you can write C++ and want to mod EAW...Ba [Re: Neal]  
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It's over, leave it alone.


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