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#4353620 - 04/26/17 01:18 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Dart, it's been over a year since my visit. Surely it's time for me to come back.


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#4353761 - 04/26/17 09:05 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I think it should be flying before your next trip up!

Right now it's all just airplane pieces scattered around a hangar.


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#4353765 - 04/26/17 09:23 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Can you believe over a year ? Man how the time goes by.


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#4353788 - 04/26/17 10:52 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Dart, here are a couple pictures from Sun n Fun that you might find interesting.

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What is the clear tube on the left side of the cockpit in the fourth picture ? Surely it isn't for fuel.


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#4353795 - 04/26/17 11:25 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Yep, that's what it is.

smile

But it's to show fuel is flowing.

Btw, big smile on doing all the woodwork in the cockpit, burnishing the outside of the aluminum, and not taking some rubbing alcohol to remove the factory stencils on the inside of it.

Gotta be a Robert Baslee/Airdrome Aeroplanes construction!

Re-polished the crankshaft, polished the inside of the prop hub, heated it to a tad over 400* degrees and she fell right down to the oil slinger like it was supposed to in the first place.

While I was waiting on it to heat up on the hot plate, I also put a new big N on the tail.

Time to put it all back together!

* All the instructions say "heat it to where it will fall down the crankshaft freely." No numbers with that. I called Great Plains and they said "somewhere around 400 degrees." Well, 400 didn't cut it, so I took out my torch and heated her up as evenly as I could to about 475 or so and she plopped right on. The problem, I think, is that the "400" assumes an oven with the whole thing heated up equally. I don't have an oven in the hangar, so I had to make due.

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#4353826 - 04/27/17 02:52 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I understand about the prop hub stopping upon install, but why did you have to tear down the crankshaft to remove?

What you did is called an interference fit., or so I was learned wink.

Be careful how you heat things. You can make them soft or brittle.

" "400" assumes an oven with the whole thing heated up equally "
You are correct in that it assumes an even heat. If you ever learn how to bore a cylinder, you have already learned how to press a sleeve.

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#4353829 - 04/27/17 03:13 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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In order to remove the prop hub which was on half way, I had to use a puller. The only way to get a grip on it was to have the crankshaft out of the engine.

And I needed to inspect the crankshaft and the woodruff key that the hub fits over. The only way to do that is by removing it.

The upside is that I kept the rods, bearings, etc. on the crankshaft so it'll be quick to put it all back together. Clean everything up, put the crankshaft back in (lining it up with the camshaft), mate the case, put the pistons back in the cylinders, wrist pins to rods, heads on cylinders, valve rods and lifters on, carb, oil screen, oil pump, and I'm ready to start thinking about triple checking timing marks and spark plugs...


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#4353833 - 04/27/17 03:33 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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not to be an ass, but a bearing spliter can grab that type of sleeve and remove it with more types of tools then a shop press.

Not that my opinion matters, but you are doing a grand job. Glad to hear you have everything fitted.


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#4353843 - 04/27/17 05:06 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Looking really nice Dart, Again. thumbsup


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#4353862 - 04/27/17 09:53 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I keep learning new stuff from this thread, awesome!

Oh and Dart, I think you should start teaching "Anger Management" and "Extra Patience" classes. You're obviously good at these things wink

#4354275 - 04/28/17 07:32 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Dart, here are a couple pictures from Sun n Fun that you might find interesting.

[Linked Image]

What is the clear tube on the left side of the cockpit in the fourth picture ? Surely it isn't for fuel.


Great thread! Been reading through what I missed...

I will only chime in to say, that's actually an oil pulsator for rotary engines. smile


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#4354346 - 04/29/17 04:06 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Yes, but he's running a VW with a reduction drive.


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#4356558 - 05/10/17 02:53 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Hmmm, let's try this again.

Prop hub on the crankshaft? Yep.

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Everything all lined up and the case put back together? Yep.

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After torquing the case nuts I stopped for the day. I was getting all scatter brained and started setting things down and forgetting where I put it and not finding things that were right in the open.

Not a good way to be when I had the task of positioning piston rings and putting the pistons in the cylinders. Better to call it a day, drink some water, and get something to eat.

I borrowed a bit from the instructions on the circle thingie that goes between the flat oil slinger and the prop hub. With it on the crankshaft I couldn't get a good view if the prop hub was fully seated or not when mounting it. It said that it could be split and the join rotated horizontally in the case once joined, so I did that.


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#4358104 - 05/18/17 07:14 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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I need a pinion removal tool to back out and re-align the distributor gear...I was off a tooth when I put the darned thing back together. It's on its way and should be here Tuesday or Wednesday.

Then it's a matter of putting the bolt into the prop hub (Dave has it to drill a hole for the cotter pin), putting the Diehl case and starter on the back of it, putting the spark plugs in, mounting it on the engine, filling it with oil, and seeing if she'll start and adjust the timing.

Getting closer....

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#4360150 - 05/30/17 04:19 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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So engine is pretty much done. Just have to put on the valve covers, torque the spark plugs and hook them up, and mount the engine and prop.

Just to show how my "bad luck/good luck" life works, there's a little spring that goes between the cam gear for the distributor and the distributor. Once everything is lined up as it should be, one simply drops it into a hole on the gear and puts the distributor on top of it.

There is a cut in the side of the well where the distributor fits in to meet the gear, no doubt to allow oil in and out, and is about a third the way up from the cam gear. It is horizontal. The spring goes in vertically.

I know that it is the perfect size - not one bit bigger or smaller than absolutely necessary for a zero tolerance fit - for the spring to fit through. The spring fell to its side and I used my little wooden skewer to pick it up and it simply vanished. Gone. Not popped out, just gone.

The spring is in the engine. The tiny half inch long three eighths inch wide spring Is. In. The. Engine.

Breathe.

Flashlight down the hole. Can't see it. Start undoing the bolts to the plate where the mechanical fuel pump would go.

Have my two Pros From Dover gently step in and volunteer, suggesting I sit in a chair and let them do it.* Apparently I looked like I was about to rip the whole thing apart with my bare hands while producing a stream of profanities that would probably take the paint off the cars parked outside the hangar.

Pump plate removed. Flashlight. No spring seen.

Oil filler plate removed. Flashlight. Silence. More flashlight. "Hand me that magnet," Rusty says, and expertly removes it from the bottom of the engine.

So fantastically terrible luck in having the spring go into the engine, but also wondrous good luck that it could be spotted and fished out.

From there things went pretty quickly, and we moved the engine onto a stand over by the aircraft, hooking up various electrical things and turning it over to set the timing. It was off initially, but thanks to the flashy flash gun and an allen wrench, we soon got things right.

* LOL, it's been a long time since I was put in "Time Out."


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#4360183 - 05/30/17 10:53 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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You are freakin amazing Dart.....

Seriously. What an amazing adventure so far.


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#4360345 - 05/30/17 10:13 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart

* LOL, it's been a long time since I was put in "Time Out."


Yeah... but that is probably because you don't get frequent enough adult supervision ... winkngrin

Seriously though, well done, Dart! I wouldn't have the patience and drive to accomplish what you are doing.

#4360834 - 05/31/17 06:47 PM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Next up is my mildly bent engine mount.

I'm going to try and jury rig a press to see if I can straighten it. If not, then I'll have to make a new one.


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#4361142 - 06/01/17 11:49 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Here you go Dart. This would finish off your airplane nicely.


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#4361516 - 06/02/17 02:53 AM Re: 7/8 scale Nieuport 11. [Re: Dart]  
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Holy crap, it would be cool to have one. Even cooler to have the money to afford it.

Bonus plan - nobody would suspect it was real.

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