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#4352522 - 04/21/17 01:26 PM Performance Issues? Check TrackIR  
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Hi chaps!

I hope everything is doing well. I've had an odd experience with my setup for WOFF yesterday and, with the changes it made, I thought I'd pass this along in the off chance it might be useful.

Like a lot of other players on the board, I have suffered from intermittent stutters, pauses, and even the very rare freeze (which would last a few seconds). I've tried just about every possible combination of settings in the workshop and on my nVidia graphics card. I run a modest system. I have a Dell XPS 8700 with an Intel i7 4000 series chip at 3.6 ghz, I run 16 GB of RAM and have an OEM nVidia 745GTX graphics card with 4GB of video RAM. It's a solid system and I can run most other flight sims - like IL-2 1946, and Falcon BMS with most of the settings cranked up.

I've run WOFF in its stock configuration since I've started playing but the stutters persisted. I've tried dialing the graphics settings back in the Workshop, as advised in the FAQ, which would help at some points but not others. I've tried every type of permutation of nVidia settings I could find, and again, met with intermittent and inconsistent success. I've tried moving CFS3 onto a different core while running. And, you guessed it, sometimes it would help, and sometimes not. I close all background applications (my system only starts four programs on boot) and still no luck.

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And then I checked TrackIR.

Now, the FAQ tells us to dial back the "smoothness" settings - which I've tried (again, with the same hit and miss results).

What I didn't think to check was TrackIR's permissions.

I've had TrackIR set to "Run as Administrator" under its compatibility settings for years now - something I started doing back in Windows 7 on my old rig and I carried it over without giving it a second thought. To be honest, I've never noticed an issue in any other sim I fly.

Yesterday, I tried again to solve my mysterious performance issues. This time, I checked for a driver update for TrackIR - not something I've thought to do before. Sure enough, I was one update behind. The latest version of the driver says that it address an issue when TrackIR runs in elevated permissions and the sim does not. Which is precisely what my setup has done entirely by accident.

So I updated the drivers, went back into the program settings, and turned off "Run as Administrator" on TrackIR.

The difference is, literally, has been night and day.

Even on my FPS Stress Test, which is a mission with a 40 on 40 merge in bad weather over a busy part of the front populated with ruined buildings - the sim chugged (FPS down to 25-30 at times) but never stuttered and didn't pause. Frame rate was choppy as anything, but I could still look around without freezing and without stuttering.

And after the merge? Smooth as silk. Even with eighty planes shooting at each other (and in some cases, colliding!)

Looking around no long causes any hiccups in the frame rate, and the stutter effect has disappeared completely. I often couldn't glance around quickly in the sim without the game hanging. And now, that issue has disappeared. Only when the sim is under intense load (like an 80 plane furball in bad weather) does it begin to grind a bit.

I then played through every quick scenario the sim ships with across all four air services - smooth every time.

Then I loaded up some 1918 careers like Jasta 34 and USAS 148 and sure enough, nice and smooth with the sim set to its stock settings after install. The graphics memory read out in the sim clocks in lower than usual and the fps stays nearly locked at 60fps with only a slight dip if I look down into the cockpit of some aircraft.

So, if you are still having those odd issues with FPS that you can't seem to track down - check your TrackIR version, download the latest update, and be sure that WOFF, CFS3 and TrackIR are all playing on the same admin access levels.

Anyway, sorry for the long post - hope this helps anyone who is still experiencing issues!

Cheers! cheers

Last edited by CaptSopwith; 04/21/17 01:31 PM.
#4352528 - 04/21/17 01:34 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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Capt'n

What version did you upgrade to?


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Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
Pwr Sup: OCZ, GameXStream,1000-Watt
MB: Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Mem: Corsair Vengeance (2x 8GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, Unbuffered
CPU: Intel i7-4770K, OC to 4.427Ghz
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M Liquid CPU Cooler
Vid Card: ASUS GTX 980Ti STRIX 6GB
OS and Games on separate: Samsung 840 Series 250GB SSD
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster BX2450L
Periphs: MS Sidewinder FFB2 Pro, TrackIR 4

#4352531 - 04/21/17 01:43 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Originally Posted by Robert_Wiggins
Capt'n

What version did you upgrade to?


Hi Robert! 5.4.2 which is at the top of their download page here: https://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/downloads/

#4352581 - 04/21/17 03:09 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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Thanks Capt'n


(System_Specs)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
Pwr Sup: OCZ, GameXStream,1000-Watt
MB: Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Mem: Corsair Vengeance (2x 8GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, Unbuffered
CPU: Intel i7-4770K, OC to 4.427Ghz
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M Liquid CPU Cooler
Vid Card: ASUS GTX 980Ti STRIX 6GB
OS and Games on separate: Samsung 840 Series 250GB SSD
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster BX2450L
Periphs: MS Sidewinder FFB2 Pro, TrackIR 4

#4352628 - 04/21/17 05:03 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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Sorry but for me as an non English speaker, are you saying:
you have to upgrade the TrackIR and turn off run as administrator?
Or is the trick update TrackIR and run Woff, CFS3.exe and TrackIR on the same level of acces level.

#4352654 - 04/21/17 06:37 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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Decreasing smoothness in Track Ir settings from 35-40 to 15-20 paradoxically improved the overall...well, smoothness in WOFF ! I don´t run it as an administrator but this specific setting sure has always played a role performance wise.

#4352832 - 04/22/17 07:15 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: dutch]  
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Originally Posted by dutch
Sorry but for me as an non English speaker, are you saying:
you have to upgrade the TrackIR and turn off run as administrator?
Or is the trick update TrackIR and run Woff, CFS3.exe and TrackIR on the same level of acces level.



Hi Dutch!

Yes, I upgraded TrackIR to it's latest version and turned off "run as administrator" under the program settings.

I'm not sure if it works the other way around - having WOFF, CFS3, and TrackIR all set to "run as administrator." But it might. It seems mostly to be an issue where they are not all running on the same permission levels.

Hope this helps!

#4355017 - 05/02/17 08:12 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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wow... what a diff. Never ran so smooth before


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#4355071 - 05/03/17 05:28 AM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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This info is 'sticky worthy'! I can crank my settings up to max and no fps or stutter issues at all!
Thanks Cap!

#4355090 - 05/03/17 10:32 AM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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I use Trackir 4 hardware guys with Trackir 5 software.
Any recommendations with a profile and speed and smoothness settings for me?
I believe that Trackir 5 hardware would have a different speed and smoothness setting than Trackir 4
Is that correct?
Thanks in advance for any advice lads
Best regards
Adger


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#4355119 - 05/03/17 03:21 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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Hi Guys,

Glad the suggestion worked!

Adger, I have a TrackIR 4 with the 5 software as well. I use the Smooth profile with some hot key edits. Also made some further adjustments - speed is set to 0.7 and smooth is actually cranked up to 50 which I found, oddly, actually reduces my stutters.

Cheers!

#4355124 - 05/03/17 03:51 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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Thanks for the advice Captain,il have a mess around with those settings later.
Cheers pal


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#4355344 - 05/04/17 03:37 PM Re: Performance Issues? Check TrackIR [Re: CaptSopwith]  
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I'll add it a suggestion in the FAQ for Windows 10 users.


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