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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Dart
My Southern drawl waxes and wanes depending on circumstance and audience. Or even topic.
And of course there are varying levels of the "Southern accent" intensity. I've met people who sound just like Foghorn Leghorn from Looney Tunes and I've met people who have just the slightest hint of a Southern accent like what you hear from Bill Clinton or Julianne Moore (film actress).
The wife has this softened Northern Alabama accent that is entrancing.
The big thing between Southerners and Others is in syntax and how information is given. I had to un-learn this in the Army.
Yankees and Others:
Event. Place. People.
Southerners:
People. Place. Event.
So if one is in a hurry to find out what happened when talking to a Southerner, take a deep breath and wait for it. The context always comes first.
Oddly enough, when I was young and could speak some German, the relatives said my accent wasn't bad at all. They didn't tell me they were teaching me Swabish, so I got some laughs when I was stationed in Baumholder. Sort of like if a German learned English in Alabama and then went to Wisconsin.
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My Mom and Dad's English is nearly perfect. You can tell that English is a second language, but a close second.
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Here's a foreigner doing a very good job... initially speaking in Bisaya/Cebuano and then a little of Ilonngo/Hiligaynon around the 1:44 mark. Not "authentic" obviously but see if you can spot the differences between the Bisaya and Ilonngo accents even if you don't understand the dialect.
Re: my mom, she to me sounds like an American, except for a few things here and there. My wife says she can hear the accent in my mom pretty easily though, so maybe I'm just used to hearing itm I dunno.
Now, what about Ilocano?
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My dad's family was originally from a place where Ilocano is spoken and when some people find out where my dad's from, they get excited because they think I can speak Ilocano.... however, I've only visited the place 3x so never learned the dialect.
I knew a Chinese girl in HS that was from Jamaica. She spoke neutral English, you couldn't tell where she was from. Yet one time I was on the phone with her when she started arguing with her mom. She slipped into this surreal Jamaican accent that I couldn't believe.
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Regarding actors and accents, it must be a challenge to avoid slipping into your native accent when you are acting in a non-native one and must trade dialogue with other actors who are speaking in your native accent. example:
Here's an example. Damian Lewis is an Englishman but is speaking in an American accent to another Englishman.
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It's not just the accent differences. The real learning is in the TRANSLATION! See the following example to help you all understand how to interpret a Minnesota. I'm originally from New Jersey, but my wife is a small rural town Minnesota gal. Minnesota is a passive-aggressive culture, not like the East Coast.
Native Minnesotan here.. That is true for the most part. Coming from Northwestern MN I always thought this video series from 1993 was spot on. Even providing lessons. A lot kinder, gentler time. But now having been down in the twin cities for over 25 years things have changed. Fore I'm a minority now after the influx of Mexicans and Somalians. Not enough have watched the video.
My Southern drawl waxes and wanes depending on circumstance and audience. Or even topic.
And of course there are varying levels of the "Southern accent" intensity. I've met people who sound just like Foghorn Leghorn from Looney Tunes and I've met people who have just the slightest hint of a Southern accent like what you hear from Bill Clinton or Julianne Moore (film actress).
The wife has this softened Northern Alabama accent that is entrancing.
The big thing between Southerners and Others is in syntax and how information is given. I had to un-learn this in the Army.
Yankees and Others:
Event. Place. People.
Southerners:
People. Place. Event.
So if one is in a hurry to find out what happened when talking to a Southerner, take a deep breath and wait for it. The context always comes first.
Oddly enough, when I was young and could speak some German, the relatives said my accent wasn't bad at all. They didn't tell me they were teaching me Swabish, so I got some laughs when I was stationed in Baumholder. Sort of like if a German learned English in Alabama and then went to Wisconsin.
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My Mom and Dad's English is nearly perfect. You can tell that English is a second language, but a close second.
I spent nearly 7 years stationed at Baumholder. My wife is from Idar-Oberstein! My high school German was no use to me there and was often ragged on by her family and friends about accent and pronunciation. She of course speaks fluent English, and her accent is barely there anymore after living in the states for 10 years. My 11 year old daughter speaks German fluently with proper accent to boot.
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Originally Posted by NH2112
Same thing when Jamie Bamber and James Callis conversed in BSG.
Both Damian Lewis and Jamie Bamber can do flawless American accents. So flawless that I thought they were both American born and raised actors.
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I was born in East Lancashire, left UK at 27, five years in Southern Africa then 40 something years in Australia.
Most people think I'm Scottish here, but the people from England that I meet sound to have awfully broad accents. I certainly don't have an Australian accent, though Strine sounds normal to me. Mailman has met me, let him post what my accent is.
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Then again, there's no singular Australian accent. Not all Aussies sound like Paul Hogan.
As for me, I think I just have what they call a "non descript" American accent. I don't sound Southern, Cajun, New Yorker, New Englander or Mid-Western.
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“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
I spent nearly 7 years stationed at Baumholder. My wife is from Idar-Oberstein! My high school German was no use to me there and was often ragged on by her family and friends about accent and pronunciation. She of course speaks fluent English, and her accent is barely there anymore after living in the states for 10 years. My 11 year old daughter speaks German fluently with proper accent to boot.
I spent 2.5 years at Strassburg Kaserne in Idar-Oberstein, from 92-95. The whole Baumholder area was the best kept secret in Germany. A friend and I hiked & camped all over the area, and then there was the weekend 3 other friends and I canoed the Saar from Saarbrücken to where it meets the Moselle at Konz.
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My wife has a bit of a Scottish accent, but not to those of us from Scotland, and when we are talking I don't hear an accent.
Now, when she gets on the phone to me or anyone else and has to speak English then she has an accent to her English, her voice changes completely, at first I thought it was with me in not seeing her I took out the filters that my brain and ears put in when talking with her, but it is the same when I'm sitting there with her and she is speaking on the phone to one of her friends back in Scotland.
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When we are watching TV she will ask me "where is that actor from?" and I have to guess from their accent. Now I can hear the differences between the people here and the surrounding towns and most certainly between the Flemish and the Dutch, my wife says she cannot hear the difference between an American and someone from the UK, never mind the difference between a US and Canadian accent
Chlanna nan con thigibh a so's gheibh sibh feoil Sons of the hound come here and get flesh Clan Cameron
Being a Londoner, all you lot have accents, not me! Us English don't bother with languages; just shout loudly at 'Jonny Foreigner' and the rum coves will understand.
Seriously though, it astounds me the competence of some non-English speakers that I have encountered in a number of countries, particularly Holland & Sweden. Not only grammatically correct without much of a trace of accent but using idiom, quirks and syntax.
I 'flew' with a chap, using 'Roger Wilco', (remember that?) for a number of years, not realising that he was a Norwegian!
I wonder how our fellow member 'Ice' (who writes excellent English by the way) coped with the regional accent where he lives now. Once working up in the North East of England I had to pretend to be slightly deaf, (to not cause offfence) asking locals to enunciate clearly so I could understand.
I spent nearly 7 years stationed at Baumholder. My wife is from Idar-Oberstein! My high school German was no use to me there and was often ragged on by her family and friends about accent and pronunciation. She of course speaks fluent English, and her accent is barely there anymore after living in the states for 10 years. My 11 year old daughter speaks German fluently with proper accent to boot.
I spent 2.5 years at Strassburg Kaserne in Idar-Oberstein, from 92-95. The whole Baumholder area was the best kept secret in Germany. A friend and I hiked & camped all over the area, and then there was the weekend 3 other friends and I canoed the Saar from Saarbrücken to where it meets the Moselle at Konz.
I know Strassburg Kaserne well. I had a few friends that had housing up there. I got my Schützenscnur at the Artillerieshcule down the street.
I wonder how our fellow member 'Ice' (who writes excellent English by the way) coped with the regional accent where he lives now. Once working up in the North East of England I had to pretend to be slightly deaf, (to not cause offfence) asking locals to enunciate clearly so I could understand.
Thanks for the compliment, BD! Quite interesting of you to say that seeing as another SimHQ member said this to me recently:
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
There, I ignored your poor command of the language and addressed the points that you attempted, badly, to make.
Addressing your concern, I've learned to listen to the local accent but I also find myself lip-reading a bit. With the guys at work, I just ask them to repeat themselves and after 3x and I still don't get it, I ask them if what they said was in english or "stockton-ese"... that gets a few laughs and they either spell out the word for me or choose a different word. I've done a few shifts in Sheffield and York and much prefer their accents there. I've not done any effort to adopt the local accent so after 7 years, I still sound American or Canadian to them