#4346067 - 03/22/1702:51 PMWhen did classical die from the mainstream?
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Can you name any classical composers (not counting film/tv show composers) who came onto the scene within the past 30 years or so? I can't. It seems that the classical music genre has morphed entirely into film and tv show scores now.
The most recent well known classical composers that I can think of are Sergei Prokofiev, George Gershwin and Richard Strauss! All of those had their creative peaks during the first half of the twentieth century.
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#4346530 - 03/24/1702:35 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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I guess the Classical I listen to is all classics (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. and occasionally "Hooked on Classics", merging Classical and Disco). Classic Rock and Classic Classical!
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#4346536 - 03/24/1702:48 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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That's my point though. For their time; Bach, Mozart and Beethoven were composing music that was VERY mainstream (ie extremely popular with people of all classes).
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#4346887 - 03/25/1710:08 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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If you are looking at truly "classically accepted" composers, a lot of their stuff is clever, but never going to pick up huge audiences. They almost seek to challenge rather than entertain.
I think it might be fair to say that "popular classical" is in the hands of the film score composers - John Williams, Howard Shore, Clint Mansell, Hans Zimmer...
#4346919 - 03/26/1702:44 AMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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I think most of the "classic" classical composers wrote a lot of their music for reasons other than just the love of music - for patrons who financially supported them, requests from royalty or the church, celebrations of historical events, etc. So they weren't really TOO different from the film score composers of today.
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#4346963 - 03/26/1702:37 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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Now that I think about it, I have a buttload of Classical Movie scores, my favorites being various Start Wars, Star Trek II, Indiana Jones, Superman, Jurassic Park, etc.
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#4347154 - 03/27/1712:38 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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Originally Posted by MarkG
Now that I think about it, I have a buttload of Classical Movie scores, my favorites being various Start Wars, Star Trek II, Indiana Jones, Superman, Jurassic Park, etc.
LOL! That's why in my initial post I mentioned "not counting film/tv show composers".
Indeed it is the case that "Classical" as we knew it from the past has completely morphed into film and tv show scoring.
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#4347180 - 03/27/1702:17 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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I know John Williams has written, recorded, and performed stuff that was not done for a film. It just has made zero impact outside perhaps the classical music community. I've not heard any of it, and I don't really care to.
I have heard Billy Joel's album from the mid-90s....does nothing for me.
I have heard parts of Paul McCartney's one...ditto.
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#4347181 - 03/27/1702:18 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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And Jedi fully illustrates my point.
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#4347294 - 03/27/1707:56 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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Good call on Kitaro, David. He and Vangelis (also worthy of mention in this thread) have been influencing each other for years.
I think maybe a nod to artists who may not be accepted as "classical" is due here too.
If you are looking for mostly instrumental and thematic music which uses many motifs, orchestration, layers of sounds, changing time signatures...
Jean Michel Jarre Kraftwerk Tangerine Dream
Maybe electronica, trance and ambient is where we need to be looking
For true classical stuff, I'm struggling to think of anyone modern *and* popular after the likes of Benjamin Britten, Samuel Barber, Messiaen... even then, they may not have been popular in their lifetimes.
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#4347303 - 03/27/1708:35 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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ah John Taverner perhaps, but even he started his rise in the 60s... but he persuaded the Beatles to release his first cantata "The Whale" on Apple Records.
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#4347306 - 03/27/1708:42 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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For home listening I mostly enjoy the classics and movie themes, but I'm no connoisseur. I have my favorite versions but I can't say what my preferences are based on, especially when they usually sound so similar.
For live performances I enjoy the reasonably priced Baton Rouge or LSU student Symphony/Orchestra.
My favorite, I guess, is watching someone with mad skills play a classic...
If you're not moved by the beginning, skip to around the 9:00 mark when she takes a deep breath and starts letting loose.
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#4347317 - 03/27/1709:20 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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Cool. I've heard that before. Was it in "Platoon" or some other war movie?
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#4347342 - 03/27/1711:28 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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Cool. I've heard that before. Was it in "Platoon" or some other war movie?
Yes, it was the music playing when Elias emerges from the jungle chased by the VC
I'm going to have to add that one to my relaxation/meditation playlist.
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#4352366 - 04/20/1706:05 PMRe: When did classical die from the mainstream?
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In case anyone is interested, i found this article on the very subject I was bringing up in my initial post.
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