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#4347253 - 03/27/17 04:49 PM The current state of the Hollywood film industry  
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An excellent article here,

http://variety.com/2017/film/featur...er-demand-studios-exhibitors-1202016699/


And this point right here is the most critical one in my opinion,


"But that growth is being driven by higher ticket prices and inflation. Simply put, fewer people are going to the movies. U.S. and Canadian attendance has failed to match the 1.5 billion admissions the industry hit in 2004."


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#4347265 - 03/27/17 05:41 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I'm getting hints about a new "Beauty and the Beast" movie, guess I'll have to go (not sure if it's playing yet). I really dislike going to the movies (unless it's a Rush documentary or concert) but I keep a good attitude about it as I wouldn't want to spoil our evening. We don't buy concessions though.

EDIT: Also, unless it's a classic like "Rocky Horror" which I plan to see every Halloween, but that's not what they're talking about. Even with the classics you have to put up with stuff like this...
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#4347266 - 03/27/17 05:50 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
I'm getting hints about a new "Beauty and the Beast" movie, guess I'll have to go (not sure if it's playing yet).



It's been out for 2 weeks and it's been talked about all over the internet. wink


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#4347271 - 03/27/17 06:03 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by MarkG
I'm getting hints about a new "Beauty and the Beast" movie, guess I'll have to go (not sure if it's playing yet).


It's been out for 2 weeks and it's been talked about all over the internet. wink


If it's not mentioned *here* then there's a good chance I don't know about it. But thanks for the heads up. smile

Looks like calendar is clear this Friday evening (dammit), guess I better do it.



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4347280 - 03/27/17 06:29 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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This is a "well...duh!" article.

Sure ticket pricing is part of the issue, but not the problem.

I love watching movies at the theater... I HATE going to the theater. from finding a parking spot to the price of a bag of popcorn, People on phones, crying babies, crowded seats (this has improved a bit). People at the cinema seem to want to behave like they do when they watch a movie in their living room. NAH!

I watch at home 90% of my movies. I go out to watch a movie once or twice a year. Better sound, image, more comfortable...if I do not like it, switch to something else. Eat or drink whatever I like.

There is nothing movie theaters have changed since 2004 to make the experience any better (with the exception of projection equipment). 3D was cool for a while, but I don't think I will ever pay again to watch a movie in 3D. Dinner/Bar/Sofa in theaters are cool, but not something I want to do for every movie.

And then there's the movies themselves. As I get older, there are fewer new movies I am interested in watching. Visual effects, sound are way better, but the stories told seem too vapid and cookie cutter. Studio meddling with the vision of directors and writers is giving us production line quality product. Instead of works of art that will endure and we want to re-watch, now is all money, money, money...gimme profit now - we can remake it later and milk it some more. Even actors have changed from wanting to give an unforgettable performance...to wanting to be cast in a 15 part movie franchise. We went from movies that gave us a full course for heart and mind to the fast food specials that are just bigger and more colorful, with empty calories and lots and lots of fat.

Who wants to support that?

That's why cable TV and streaming sites have elevated themselves. They do more with less. Their latest stories focus on character development and rich plots. That is still the essence of why I watch movies.

#4347283 - 03/27/17 06:38 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Pretty much nailed it for me too Bib4Tuna. I did see Rogue One recently at the cinema but we went in the afternoon when the kids were still at school. However my brother still talked too much!


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#4347285 - 03/27/17 06:45 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Originally Posted by Bib4Tuna



That's why cable TV and streaming sites have elevated themselves. They do more with less. Their latest stories focus on character development and rich plots.



Bingo! Almost all of the creative risks are being done on cable TV and streaming now. The cost overhead for Hollywood is such that they are pretty much forced to make huge tentpole films that appeal to as wide of an audience as possible. They are swinging for the fences 100% of the time and sometimes they hit a grand slam but sometimes they strike out big time.

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#4347320 - 03/27/17 09:34 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I think this is more of a problem of USA and americans being too lazy to go to the theaters,around here even tough tickets have also increase the attendence has spiked as more people from lower classes can afford to go to the theathers and many still go just becouse.
People are not buying blu rays as much as well,its mostly collectors and fans, people are prefering cable and streaming,or downright download ilegallly,and with tvs KKK spikiing in resolution less and less people will care for the silver screen,the wonderment of a big screen is past,this new generation are confortable in watching movies in their phone's screen.

#4347329 - 03/27/17 10:06 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Yeah Bib, that pretty much nails it for me too. People are ruining the movie experience by just being rude, and not having control over the lighting and audio is frustrating (and triggers migraines for my girlfriend).

Plus the quality part of it - I'm actually looking forward to Rogue One coming out on Blu-Ray so I can watch it at home with the better quality video and audio than at the theater.


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#4347333 - 03/27/17 10:33 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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We can't afford the ticket prices anymore. If Hollywood wants to bring folks back to the theaters, they need to start by slashing actor/actress pay and film budgets, while paying top dollar for creative scripts that have interesting plots. I'd love to watch every movie in the theater... but 10+ bucks a person? Forget it.

#4347337 - 03/27/17 11:02 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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$10 plus $20 for the popcorn and drink.

Theater profit comes from the refreshments.


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#4347411 - 03/28/17 10:50 AM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
I think this is more of a problem of USA and americans being too lazy to go to the theaters



It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the fact that the US market is a "matured" market when it comes to movie theater attendance. In other words, there's really not much opportunity for growth due to heavy competition from streaming and VOD options.


The foreign market though has plenty of room for growth and thus why you see much higher attendance numbers.


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#4347413 - 03/28/17 10:52 AM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
$10 plus $20 for the popcorn and drink.

Theater profit comes from the refreshments.



I'll have to look up the exact numbers but what the theater chains get from ticket sales is basically just barely enough for them to pay their utilities and rent. The money made from the concessions goes to paying employee salaries and other expenses. So yeah, the vast majority of their income comes from concessions so hence the ridiculous markup.


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#4347435 - 03/28/17 02:05 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Theater ticket prices are actually right about where they should be based on inflation rates.


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#4347436 - 03/28/17 02:14 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: cichlidfan]  
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Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Theater ticket prices are actually right about where they should be based on inflation rates.



Yup!

Just take a look at this list of average ticket prices since 1980,

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/

Compared to other forms of entertainment like concerts, sporting events and Broadway shows, movie theater ticket prices have risen modestly.

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The most notable thing about that list is the stark contrast between top movies now and top movies from the 80s--the top movies of yesteryear were awesome, every single one of them practically, while the top movies for the last decade and a half, easily a good third of them were awful.

#4347439 - 03/28/17 02:36 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
The most notable thing about that list is the stark contrast between top movies now and top movies from the 80s--the top movies of yesteryear were awesome, every single one of them practically, while the top movies for the last decade and a half, easily a good third of them were awful.



IMHO, that probably has mostly to do with the fact that you are older now so your tastes have changed. I don't buy the notion that the overall quality of films being put out by Hollywood now is significantly worse or better than films that were made in the 1980's. I have a good memory so I remember the huge deluge of crappy B movies that came out during the 1980's.


There is also the nostalgia factor. Most of us here on SimHQ are Generation X so we have fond childhood and teenage memories of many of those films from that time.

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#4347466 - 03/28/17 05:07 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I dont goto movies anymore.... A. the Gen Y audience is usually obnoxious... B. lack of substance in movies... its all about BOOM BOOM or FART FART... C. Germans cant seem to get a break... seems its all about Nazis or a bad German guy with blond hair blue eyes... D. all the men are stupid and the women are the winners in the script. E. there are really no more actors anymore.... most are 2 dimensional at best... I call it the 'Samuel Jackson/Tommy Lee jones' syndrome.... they just play themselves or 1 of 2 other types of themselves... the only one guy that worked well doing that was the Duke smile


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what would help is if the movie studios and actors werent such greedy feckers. Movie theatres lease movies, with over 70% of the ticket sales going back to the studio. In one case, for a first week of a movie release, the studio got 100% of ticket sales .. with the theatre getting nothing. Its no wonder the theatres put up prices on the food etc, the HAVE TO to even break even, let alone pay staff etc. Its an EXTREMELY one sided business .. and the winners of the whole shady agreements (the studios) just want more and more.


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#4347509 - 03/28/17 07:35 PM Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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No movie for me this Friday (forgot about something on Sat.), going next Friday evening. Also going to compare with a typical concert date night, 'splurging' with a medium Diet Coke and popcorn to share.

I'm a creature of habit, like my two dogs I like regular routine. smile Typical date night...

+ Sharing one shrimp fajitas plate. They know us well at Cactus Café on a Friday evening, exactly what we want (extra whole wheat tortilla for a total of 4, tails off, guacamole, water w/lemons). Total = $18.50 w/20% tip, I leave them an even $20.00.

+ Event tickets are usually $10.00 - $15.00 + ~$5.00 service charge.

+ Bringing my own booze, pre-mixed screwdrivers in two thermoses (his/hers), poured into disposable plastic cups for walking around (campus or casino) before entering the venue. I do this, not just because I'm too cheap to buy bar drinks, but knowing exactly how much alcohol I've consumed (e.g. 3 x 1.5 oz. shots) and allowing for the recommended time before driving (1 hour per shot). Plus I don't like losing my spot once the show starts to get a drink or pee. smile

So...

Music: band
$20.00 meal
$30.00 - $40.00 tickets (total)
No concessions/drinks.

vs...

Movie: popcorn
$20.00 meal
$20.00 tickets
Med. popcorn and soda?

I dunno, might be close.



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