#4347514 - 03/28/17 07:58 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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A $15 - $20 concert ticket is cheap. I have seven pairs of tickets, for summer events, right now and the prices, per ticket, are as follows.
$40.00 Classic Albums Live $60.00 Elvis Costello $70.00 The Moody Blues $75.00 Joe Jackson $75.00 + $22.85 svc chg Queen $97.50 + $10.40 svc chg Deep Purple, Alice Cooper & Edgar Winter $150.00 + $21.80 svc chg Roger Waters
Note that the first four are in a venue that is part of a national park and there is no service charge.
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#4347515 - 03/28/17 08:16 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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cichlidfan, I should have clarified, our "typical" music date night is seeing a cover or tribute band, not a big name. Billy Joel was ~$50.00 and Rush was always around $75.00 - $100.00. But the big names for us are rare, I'm referring mostly to local or small acts where you usually (but not always) stand at the stage, our favorite regular band being The Molly Ringwalds... https://www.themollyringwalds.com/Tickets are $10.00 (Varsity Theatre) or $15.00 (L'auberge Casino), both around LSU.
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#4347526 - 03/28/17 10:20 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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Well, that is a much different story. I pay about $30 - $35 per ticket when I go to see Start Making Sense (Talking Heads tribute band), but that is a seated ticket and the venue is in Washington, D.C. (about two miles from the White House).
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#4347557 - 03/29/17 03:38 AM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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Here is the reason why people don't go to movie theaters.
The quality of the movie isn't enough to make them want to go. It costs a family of four at least 60 bucks to go to the movies these days, not counting food or gas to get there. Knowing that people are going to wait and go only if it is something they really want to see.
The top movies this week according to Rotten Tomatoes are:
Beauty and the Beast-A remake of a very good cartoon that has made some questionable decisions on character development which may turn off some families from attending.
Power Rangers- A remake of a pretty lame kids TV show from the 1990s.
Kong, Skull Island- Yet another King Kong movie. You can only show a 50 foot ape killing things so many times before people get bored.
Life: Yet another out space horror movie.
Logan: Probably the only one of the bunch I would pay money to go see.
CHiPs: Another remake of another lame 1970s TV series.
See a trend here? Not a single really original film. The only one that even tries to be original is probably Logan and it is the only one I would want to see. The rest are retreads of tired formulas or remakes of lame TV shows or kids movies that have increased violence, sexual undertones or themes that probably will confuse their target audience. Not one of these, except maybe Logan, look like anything I would want to see in a theater and probably Beauty and the Beast will be the only one I rent on Amazon, and that is because the wife will want to see it.
Pay 60 bucks and drive to a theater or stay on my rump watching it on my big screen 3-6 months later. I'll wait to watch a movie unless I feel like I have to see it.
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#4347565 - 03/29/17 04:49 AM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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I would go to the theater more often if Hollywood would get a clue and started making sequels (to let me know what happened next), restart movie franchises with a new take (maybe call it "re-imagining" or something, but it would be fun to see my favorite movie franchises with an alternate reality), or maybe a movie versions of 1970's or '80's TV shows or even cartoons (imagine how awesome a Transformers or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie would be with today's CGI abilities!).
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#4347568 - 03/29/17 05:10 AM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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I saw the Stop Making Sense tour back in the 1980's. I'm jealous dude. I don't think they will come to my part of town. I'll take that as a recommendation from the both of you, if ever they head down south I'll go see them. BTW, looking at their Tour page on their website, they also do plenty of $10.00 - $15.00 shows. That's what I was getting at, comparable to a movie.
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#4347595 - 03/29/17 10:51 AM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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Here is the reason why people don't go to movie theaters.
The quality of the movie isn't enough to make them want to go. It costs a family of four at least 60 bucks to go to the movies these days, not counting food or gas to get there. Knowing that people are going to wait and go only if it is something they really want to see.
The top movies this week according to Rotten Tomatoes are:
Beauty and the Beast-A remake of a very good cartoon that has made some questionable decisions on character development which may turn off some families from attending.
Power Rangers- A remake of a pretty lame kids TV show from the 1990s.
Kong, Skull Island- Yet another King Kong movie. You can only show a 50 foot ape killing things so many times before people get bored.
Life: Yet another out space horror movie.
Logan: Probably the only one of the bunch I would pay money to go see.
CHiPs: Another remake of another lame 1970s TV series.
See a trend here? Not a single really original film. The only one that even tries to be original is probably Logan and it is the only one I would want to see. The rest are retreads of tired formulas or remakes of lame TV shows or kids movies that have increased violence, sexual undertones or themes that probably will confuse their target audience. Not one of these, except maybe Logan, look like anything I would want to see in a theater and probably Beauty and the Beast will be the only one I rent on Amazon, and that is because the wife will want to see it.
Pay 60 bucks and drive to a theater or stay on my rump watching it on my big screen 3-6 months later. I'll wait to watch a movie unless I feel like I have to see it.
Hollywood's wounds are self inflicted. This is a really good post with the caveat that your input/tastes on the current top films are coming from a 50+ year old male. In other words, not the target audience for the Hollywood film industry. What's really shaking up the industry right now is the fact that most people under 30 are now preferring to watch movies on their mobile devices than to go to the theater. This demographic has been the main focus of the industry for a while now since it was the one buying the most tickets.
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#4347597 - 03/29/17 11:12 AM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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What's really shaking up the industry right now is the fact that most people under 30 are now preferring to watch movies on their mobile devices than to go to the theater. This demographic has been the main focus of the industry for a while now since it was the one buying the most tickets. Good, maybe Hollywood will catch on and start making movies for older people :/
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#4347607 - 03/29/17 12:33 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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Here is the reason why people don't go to movie theaters.
The quality of the movie isn't enough to make them want to go. It costs a family of four at least 60 bucks to go to the movies these days, not counting food or gas to get there. Knowing that people are going to wait and go only if it is something they really want to see.
The top movies this week according to Rotten Tomatoes are:
Beauty and the Beast-A remake of a very good cartoon that has made some questionable decisions on character development which may turn off some families from attending.
Power Rangers- A remake of a pretty lame kids TV show from the 1990s.
Kong, Skull Island- Yet another King Kong movie. You can only show a 50 foot ape killing things so many times before people get bored.
Life: Yet another out space horror movie.
Logan: Probably the only one of the bunch I would pay money to go see.
CHiPs: Another remake of another lame 1970s TV series.
See a trend here? Not a single really original film. The only one that even tries to be original is probably Logan and it is the only one I would want to see. The rest are retreads of tired formulas or remakes of lame TV shows or kids movies that have increased violence, sexual undertones or themes that probably will confuse their target audience. Not one of these, except maybe Logan, look like anything I would want to see in a theater and probably Beauty and the Beast will be the only one I rent on Amazon, and that is because the wife will want to see it.
Pay 60 bucks and drive to a theater or stay on my rump watching it on my big screen 3-6 months later. I'll wait to watch a movie unless I feel like I have to see it.
Hollywood's wounds are self inflicted. This is a really good post with the caveat that your input/tastes on the current top films are coming from a 50+ year old male. In other words, not the target audience for the Hollywood film industry. What's really shaking up the industry right now is the fact that most people under 30 are now preferring to watch movies on their mobile devices than to go to the theater. This demographic has been the main focus of the industry for a while now since it was the one buying the most tickets. Hey, I'm only 49. I agree with you except two of those movies were based on shows that people now in their 40s and 50s remember from their youth. The target audience may be people under 30 but I don't know of any teenagers going, 'Gosh, I would love to see a Mighty Morphing Power Rangers movie!'. Likewise the people that you would expect to have interest in a movie like CHiPs would be people in my age, the ones that remember the TV show. You would have thought these folks would have learned their lesson with Starsky and Hutch and made a movie that might remind people of those kinds of shows. It seems like Hollywood doesn't know what their demographic should be. Personally I am waiting for 'The Greatest American Hero' to be made into a movie. Now that might be funny but I have no hope that it could be made into a real movie, at least one I would want to see. And the premise would be great.
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#4347608 - 03/29/17 12:36 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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It seems like Hollywood doesn't know what their demographic should be. IMO Hollywood shouldn't have a demographic, only movies should have a demographic. I agree that Hollywood should expand it's demographic interest from it's currently youth orientated one.
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#4347609 - 03/29/17 12:38 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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The truth is that if you want really high quality stuff with good character development, good dialogue and compelling stories you need to go to cable TV or streaming services like Amazon and Netflix. That's where all of the creative risks are being taken. @ Wklink - Sorry about my age estimate being a bit off but you get the idea.
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#4347625 - 03/29/17 02:01 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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I saw the Stop Making Sense tour back in the 1980's. I'm jealous dude. I don't think they will come to my part of town. I'll take that as a recommendation from the both of you, if ever they head down south I'll go see them. BTW, looking at their Tour page on their website, they also do plenty of $10.00 - $15.00 shows. That's what I was getting at, comparable to a movie. Yes, they are absolutely outstanding and, yes, they can be seen for less than I paid. Obviously, the venue will influence the ticket prices and the venue I have seen them at is a bit higher priced than others where they perform. On the theater attendance topic, I think that the vast improvements in the home viewing experience also impact attendance. Watching a movie on your TV is a much better experience than it was years ago.
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#4347631 - 03/29/17 02:12 PM
Re: The current state of the Hollywood film industry
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On the theater attendance topic, I think that the vast improvements in the home viewing experience also impact attendance. Watching a movie on your TV is a much better experience than it was years ago.
Absolutely. Home theater + VOD + streaming = lower theater attendance. This has been touched on before already in this thread but films now have to have a very strong compelling selling point to convince most people to get out and see the movie on release. Hollywood is losing that battle so far. Most people are content to just wait for the movie to come out on VOD or DVD/bluray.
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#4347666 - 03/29/17 03:13 PM
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I still manage to go to one or two movies a month. My friend loves to go so we'll do that. We go during off times to avoid the normal aggravations, but even on the occasion that we go on release night the auditorium is rarely full. Some movies, like Hacksaw Ridge, deserve to be seen on the big screen and I don't mind spending the money. 3D is a waste. Even when it's well done it does nothing for the experience and the best I can say about that is that a well done 3D doesn't interfere. But rarely do I see it add much to the experience - AVATAR not withstanding. 4K cinema, delux seating, superior audio are reasons I don't mind paying. Gone are the days when someone sitting in front of you blocks the screen. Pricing is a tricky thing. I don't often buy concessions though I'm aware that's how the theatre gets their monies. Popcorn is too salty for me and I can't eat it. But even though I don't often partake the menu at the places we go has changed significantly. That's a good thing IMO. If you go later in the release date the theatre gets a higher cut from the price of admission. Sadly, with the quick turn around of movies these days, that opportunity for theatres dissipates quickly. So for me it all comes down to whether a movie is worth my $12.50 or not. I've been burned but I've spent money less wisely in my life so I don't cry over it too much. I can only think of three movies in my life that I wanted to walk out of. For me movies are still a valued entertainment. I AM much more selective now. Nothing with a number higher than 2 gets seen in the theatre. So no Fast and Furious.
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#4347677 - 03/29/17 03:52 PM
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What I find amusing is this exactly the state of affairs to be expected from films being treated like a business and not art.
This is the market speaking. The market doesn't want original stories (obviously) because they bomb. The movies making tons of money show what the market wants and what Hollywood therefore makes.
If you do not like the films that are getting hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office, that means the problem is your tastes, not the film industry. It is following the money and its market. If you are not part of their market, they literally do not care what you think.
Sure, they could make lower budgeted films that have lower expectations, but why? They make the low budget art stuff for awards prestige, which may or many not interest too many, and they make the big budget stuff hoping to reap $1bn plus. Everything else has become unnecessary.
"Old" Hollywood was dying by the mid-70s. Everyone could see it. TV was what people watched, even with only 3 major networks and a smattering of independent stations showing reruns and old films. Star Wars and Jaws introduced the blockbuster and a new way for them to proceed, which they have stuck with for 40 years. This path is leading them to be increasingly risk-averse, like any major company.
You don't see Ford introducing a flying car. You don't see McDonalds making a $30 Kobe burger. You won't see Hollywood go back to what was a failing strategy for them in the "good old days." No company will choose to abandon a strategy that is making them money to chase one that is pretty much guaranteed to lose it to please some small group of customers.
Capitalism sucks when its results are contrary to what you want, doesn't it? Hollywood = art made by and for the mass market.
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