#4346282 - 03/23/17 01:30 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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I've been learning French for a couple of years and now I'm getting a little frustrated as I seem to be stuck at an intermediate level and I'm not really sure what to concentrate on to improve efficiently. In my opinion, you will really never learn another language unless you immerse yourself with native speakers for at least a few months. I took 4 years of German when I was in high school and college and I actually had a pretty decent conversational ability UNTIL I graduated from college and thus had no native speakers to continue learning the language. I can still read German a bit now but my conversational skills have really diminished.
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#4346285 - 03/23/17 01:36 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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I've been learning French for a couple of years and now I'm getting a little frustrated as I seem to be stuck at an intermediate level and I'm not really sure what to concentrate on to improve efficiently. In my opinion, you will really never learn another language unless you immerse yourself with native speakers for at least a few months. I took 4 years of German when I was in high school and college and I actually had a pretty decent conversational ability UNTIL I graduated from college and thus had no native speakers to continue learning the language. I can still read German a bit now but my conversational skills have really diminished. I would tend to agree except I see heaps of non native English speakers on youtube, for example, making videos in English from their own native countries and I can't believe that these people all disappeared off to England or the US for a few months to immerse themselves in our language, or that they have lots of English friends hanging around. They must have picked up most of their skills 'in situ' I've just come back from a week's language course in France, I have a French private tutor, and I have friends in France, so it's not like I'm bereft of native conversation. I'm just a little frustrated that something I appear to be finding difficult seems to be so easy to these foreigners who speak English so well.
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#4346291 - 03/23/17 01:46 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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My neighbour,who is Polish,told me he learnt most of his English by playing computer games and interacting with the gaming community.
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#4346293 - 03/23/17 01:50 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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English is the universal language for a myriad of reasons; hence, the language is everywhere and easily accessible especially since the advent of the internet. Even in Miami it's becoming more difficult to find people who only speak Spanish. Most of them at least have a basic command of English.
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#4346300 - 03/23/17 02:25 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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I work with Czechs and almost all of them learned better English by playing online games with VOIP.
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#4346301 - 03/23/17 02:31 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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Playing online games with comms can be both a funny and educational experience. I remember playing Joint Ops years ago and we had a German member who spoke grammatically correct English but he also sounded just like Arnold Schwarzenegger. We also had a Canadian player who sounded like he was from the film "Strange Brew".
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#4346304 - 03/23/17 02:48 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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#4346354 - 03/23/17 04:44 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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..... but she says that watching UK/USA TV here in Belgium got her to a point where she spoke English pretty fluently, . I hear that a lot but have never really understood it. I could watch Japanese TV from now until doomsday and I don't think I'd ever understand Japanese. I can't quite figure out how words and sentences you don't understand magically translate in to sentences you can understand just by listening to them over and over again.
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#4346361 - 03/23/17 05:00 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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Wow. I think I understood about 25% of what that guy said in the video. Lol. I recommend subtitles for Rab C Nesbitt
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#4346364 - 03/23/17 05:18 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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..... but she says that watching UK/USA TV here in Belgium got her to a point where she spoke English pretty fluently, . I hear that a lot but have never really understood it. I could watch Japanese TV from now until doomsday and I don't think I'd ever understand Japanese. I can't quite figure out how words and sentences you don't understand magically translate in to sentences you can understand just by listening to them over and over again. Key word here being "spoke". Once you get the basics (by reading, that is) yes, TV and movies pretty much teach you the rest. A lot of knowledge is just how to say X expression in language Y. That's how it worked for me at least. I started with computers at a time when everything was in English, no internet of course, not even a Spanish keyboard. So you learn, dictionary in hand, as you go. "hmmm, so you "run" a program but DOS "runS" a program... second person singular adds a "s" at the end? That's it?" The rest comes from watching The Nanny with subtitles. Nowadays I guess Youtube and the Web fulfills that role. It also helps that, at least from a Spanish perspective, English doesn't have any concept that you didn't know already Japanese would be another matter I'm sure. So at the end, it's easy to learn and you have plenty of material all around you.... one day you can just speak English for some unknown reason.
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#4346365 - 03/23/17 05:21 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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Japanese would be another matter I'm sure.
Yes. Having a totally different alphabet and script would tend to make things a bit more complex. Actually, I was shocked to find out that Japanese and Spanish have quite a few similarities when it comes to pronounciation rules.
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#4346368 - 03/23/17 05:24 PM
Re: Question for Non native English Speakers
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..... but she says that watching UK/USA TV here in Belgium got her to a point where she spoke English pretty fluently, . I hear that a lot but have never really understood it. I could watch Japanese TV from now until doomsday and I don't think I'd ever understand Japanese. I can't quite figure out how words and sentences you don't understand magically translate in to sentences you can understand just by listening to them over and over again. She had already learned the basics in school, therefore she already had a handle on what was being said. I have no feeling for language and really struggle with speaking Dutch, partly is that I cannot pronounce some of the words which stems from a childhood accident that damaged my throat and adam's apple, hang I struggle with English too sometimes Now I can read the subtitles on the TV programs here and understand what is being said either spoken or written - tho I'm better at reading Dutch than hearing it. As for Japanese, once you start to understand a few of the words and how they are put together you start picking out more and more of them from what is being said. I had a Japanese friend that lived with me while he was studying in Scotland, as part of his way of paying for his studies he gave Japanese lessons at college which is where I met him, but with not having much access to spoken Japanese other than the likes of Ran and Kagemusha after he went back home I very quickly lost the ear to the flow of the language.
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